Marans Thread for Posting Pics of Your Eggs, Chicks and Chickens

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I winced when I read this.

If any n00bs come across this quote, I'd urge you to do further reading on the difference between inbreeding and line breeding, as well as the whens, whys, and cautionary tales.

Best of luck!

so you are telling me hatchmates can't breed from the same parents(if eggs came from a large flock then they are usually only half siblings)? I really don't know what you are getting at? Linebreeding can cause problems but most people think that if you take a related bird it is inbreeding and most times it is not so.
My point to the poster was they wouldn't be inbreeding if they bred their birds
It is a common practice to breed back to fathers, grandfathers, and sometimes siblings which someone unfamiliar with these practices would call inbreeding.
When I researched buying my show dogs I was looking at pedigrees and was concerned because they were all *inbred*(from what I had learned in school). The down side is sometimes it accentuates faults. i.e. one of my dogs came from the breeder that had won at westminster shortly after I got my puppy from her. My dog was a half sibling to this #1 dog. My dog was so tightly line bred that he ended up being placed in a pet home because he ended up partly lame at just over a year because of a joint issue as a result of his breeding.
I have La Fleche that came from an exhibition breeder. He hasn't brought in any new blood in many, many years. My birds look awesome but I am concerned because many hatched missing toenails. Maybe because of many years using the same birds, maybe coincidence.
From the dictionary-just a small clip
Linebreeding, a specific form of inbreeding, is accomplished through breedings of cousins, aunt to nephew, half brother to half sister.

So what did I not convey properly?
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eta- I have also spoken to some top breeders that have told me to cross some birds then take the pullets and cross them back to their father, are they wrong?
 
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No, I'm saying that it's ill-advised to do so unless you really know what you're doing and have a good, specific, goal-oriented reason for doing it.

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Who is "the poster" to which you were making your point? Was it me, after I stated that I didn't want to inbreed my sibling Cuckoo Marans (p. 189, first post)?

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Yes, this is line breeding and it does have its place. It is also a form of inbreeding and has its risks. There are reasons to do it and reasons to not do it.

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Thanks for making my point for me.

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Again, thanks for making my point for me.

Why are you arguing with me and also proving my counterpoint at the same time?

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heh.

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It depends. For what specific reason would you do this? What specific trait are you trying to ensure will breed true and "solidify". Anything? Or do you just line breed willy-nilly just for the heck of it because your birds are pretty? It seems to me that it has more of a place in breed development than as a matter of course in a well-established breed. That's my opinion, anyways.

Cuckoo Marans of high quality are very easy to come by nowadays, so I see very little reason for inbreeding.

edit: unless you want to continue development of those toenailless chickens....that could be the hot new thing.
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Yes, exactly. Look at what line breeding did to this guy. He sleeps 18 hours a day, steals food off the dinner table and constantly steps in front of the computer screen as soon as I try to type something.
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AND-he doesn't even lay brown eggs.

There's obviously something wrong with him
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but there's not much that can be done-just look at him
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Did the one with the big beautiful spots crack open yet?

Hey drom, YES the dark spotty egg also hatched! I have a total of 4 chicks out of 11 eggs. I don't think that's too bad for shipped eggs. Odds are 50/50 right for hens and roos? I'm hoping for at least 1 of each, to make babies for next year. LOL​
 
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actually by outcrossing your marans you may lose egg color....
High quality is out there, and yes available, but it has been discussed many times that outcrossing can compromise your egg color. I am sorry I didn't realize you were the OP(been up with sick kids for day, guess that's what I get when I post tired), but I also think you are sending a message that it is bad to cross your birds when most likely it isn't.
The *pure* lines have been line bred for some time and some are experiencing fertility problems (common problem with too much line breeding). Just because you take 2 unrelated birds that came from/lay dark eggs doesn't mean your cross will produce dark eggs, there are too many factors involved.
Anyway, my point was it wasn't something to "wince" over
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Can you tell the sex of BC marans chicks at 2 days old? Like lighter or darker feathers or points on bridge of nose, or do they have to grow in their hard feathers first etc.... Thanks I'll post pics. of them and the eggs they came out of later today AFTER I clean their brooder. LOL
 
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Hey drom, YES the dark spotty egg also hatched! I have a total of 4 chicks out of 11 eggs. I don't think that's too bad for shipped eggs. Odds are 50/50 right for hens and roos? I'm hoping for at least 1 of each, to make babies for next year. LOL

Yes, that's pretty good! Very exciting!
 
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I just LOVE that cat
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the markings are just so striking

He is such an incredibly affectionate, sweet cat. He really has no idea he's not a human. I know this is a Marans Picture Thread, but I like to insert a picture of him every few hundred posts or so for the comic value.
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