Marans Thread for Posting Pics of Your Eggs, Chicks and Chickens

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Perhaps this 'Mossiness' is a distraction? Any domestic fowl breed carrying the dark brown egg gene is going to produce chicks with burned orange occiput and crown. This may link to a mossiness- if I understand what the term is referring to- this is a mossiness expressed by the adult birds I take it? European poultiers are always going to be a few years ahead of the USA when it comes to selective breeding- and like Americans, they don't exhibit or photograph birds that don't fit a certain standard ideal. But they have to be refined internally before the external transformation-
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- Fix the egg first and worry about the looks after. Marans aren't an exhibition breed in this country at this point. Back home in France Marans are exhibited in the context of local agriculture fairs and events- where tourists and locals alike flock to learn about the local culture of the region(s) the different colour strains of Marans are symbols of.
Egg colour, in my opinion, should take precedence over anything else save for flock health-ending that cycle of disease and infection full stop.
Once you have egg colour fairly fixed within the flock- and that flock's environment is as sanitary as a milk barn- the poultier has the privilege of taking up the discipline of sculpting - yeah?

Perhaps the most pressing issue for Marans aficionados is discipline- the discipline to stop over harvesting eggs- eggs are for sale Period.
Hatching dozens of chicks every year is not prerequisite to maintaining the best of the breed.
Sell every egg from every hen whose egg shells lack the expression of genes -the dark red or dark brown egg everyone working with the breed are selecting for.
These eggs are for human consumption and nothing else. Unless you are a Bill Braden or a Bev Davis you don't need to be hatching anymore than a dozen or two eggs a year.

The majority of people maintaining the Marans keep them to produce eggs for the table. Some will maintain them to sell eggs within their communities. Many people pine after their own flock of Marans. People tend to sell what they have readily at hand- that is sell adult or started flocks- eggs- . This needs to stop until the person has managed to get the birds into the shape they aught to be to be called a Marans. The superficial looks of a bird are much easier to fix than the oef- the colour and consistency of that colour-.

Visiting the egg farms of Marans France I was surprised at how few birds that produced the loveliest eggs actually met the French standard of perfection- literally hundreds of these birds running together- and crate after crate of great big eggs of several dark red shades and dark brown shades- coming from every hen yard.

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Gallus lafayetti Origin of red brown egg pigment- Origin of throw back marandaise 'mossiness' ?


An aside, chick mash- its filthy stuff. 70 some % of all the air inhaled by a bird bypasses its lungs. Air is inhaled and processed through great air sacs- the more chicks- the more mash- the more chicks the more dust- the more feather dander- the more poop and so on.

Keep a few setting hens about and put the best marans eggs under them to hatch and rear....

Make sure you put identification on the chicks so you can always remember who they are and record this data in your egg diary.
 
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Wow... Nicely put.. I couldn't agree more... he he
Thanks Resolution... I have gotten some great advice here. I will enjoy it over breakfast... Red Eggs and Ham.... Thanks for taking the time to post.
 
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I pretty much agree with you here. I am not convinced that, in most cases, there is enough genetic isolation between lines to really worry about keeping the lines "pure". And, in addition, there are benefits to crossing lines. It depends on what you want out of your flock.

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That is correct. He sold or gave all his Marans to Buddy Henry. Buddy is continuing the Cottage Hill line, but who knows whether he is keeping up the selective process or not?

Here's a pic of a mossy BCM hen. This one isn't one of mine, and mine aren't this bad, but it'll give you the idea.

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So helpful to read your thoughts on this. So, the "mossiness" that the breeders have been talking about a lot lately refers to tiny brown spots/markings on the BCMs in places like the wings and back where they shouldn't be for a brown red bird with the correct genotype. People are saying a couple things:

A) that the mossiness can be due to a Wheaten gene in your BCM stock
B) or can be due to a lack of a melanizing gene for black

However; everyone is also saying that these birds are laying some of the darkest, red eggs. Many people are culling them from their BCM stock because of the feather color faults.
 
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Oh boy, now I'm even more confused! So, one should breed primarily for egg color, and THEN for looks of the bird? This does make sense, but is opposite of what I had heard before.

So, hatch only the very darkest of eggs. Then, look at form. Correct?
 
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That depends on your own individual goals. If you want to win egg contests, breed for egg color first. If you want to win at APA shows, breed for conformation first. If you want a good all-around Marans flock, breed for both.
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My personal selection process:

1. hatch only dark eggs
2. if there's a significant difference between eggs, mark those that hatch from the very darkest
3. evaluate birds as they grow
4. cull for APA disqualifications as much as possible
5. keep assessing for conformation
6. those from the darkest eggs get extra "points" for their egg color, but don't necessarily win out over others hatched
7. select breeding group

Only time will tell how good I am at selecting the best all around birds!
 
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Personally, I would hatch the darkest eggs laid at each time period. For instance, if I am hatching every week I'd select the darkest eggs being laid that week. You want to select not only for the overall darkest color, but also for how long that color is maintained during the laying season.
 
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Personally, I would hatch the darkest eggs laid at each time period. For instance, if I am hatching every week I'd select the darkest eggs being laid that week. You want to select not only for the overall darkest color, but also for how long that color is maintained during the laying season.

Critically important factor there.
 
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