Marans Thread for Posting Pics of Your Eggs, Chicks and Chickens

[floridamama]

Thanks for that link to marans..lots of info to process. I will try to post pictures soooon. I think for him it is how dark can they be.... Check in on ya'll later I have to get up in a few hours and start my day all over again. Ya'll have a great nite.

 

[amazondoc]

Quote:
I've posted the following info before, but I don't remember whether it was in this thread or somewhere else. Here it is again!

syndactyly = fused toes
ptilopody = feathered feet and toes
brachydactyly = shortened toes

"Syndactyly is a condition in which the third and fourth toes are
fused, usually by continuous webbing between the toes (Figure 6.6).
The extent of webbing varies distally and between toes. In extreme
cases the toes are tightly tied together, and the nail of the fourth
toe may be bent out of its median position making walking difficult.
The condition is usually expressed in both feet. Syndactyly has been
associated with both ptilopody and brachydactyly by several workers
(Davenport, 1909; Danforth, 1919a, 1919b; Jaap, 1939). They proposed
that the same gene was responsible for all three of these conditions
and that modifying genes and genetic background determine the
phenotype of each individual. Davenport's (1909) data showed
syndactyly to be dominant. This would be expected if one of the
dominant shank feathering genes were responsible for it. Danforth
(1929) suggested that both of the dominant shank feathering genes
were able to produce syndactyly. A relationship between these two
traits was further strengthened with the appearance of the single
gene multitrait mutant psp reported by McGibbon and Shackelford (192)
and Smyth (1981) in which syndactyly and ptilopody were shown to be
caused by the same recessive gene.

There probably is more than one genetic type of syndactyly. Two
studies have been made of this trait in clean-legged stock, where
ptilopody genes could not be involved. One study used White Plymouth
Rocks (Warren, 1950) and the other one involved junglefowl stock
(Hollander and Brumbaugh, 1969). In both cases, results from crosses
were difficult to interpret. Warren (1950) found that the normal
parent had a major influence on F1 progeny; he got only 1.8 percent
syndactylism in one group of F1 crosses but 41 percent in another,
syndactyl x syndactyl crosses produced 62 percent affected progeny,
and there were only 11.9 percent affected in the F2 generation. The
comparable results from Hollander and Brumbaugh (1969) were zero, 40
and one percent affected birds. Although Warren (1950) had somewhat
more affected individuals, these two groups may well have been
working with the same genetic complex. Hollander and Brumbaugh (1969)
proposed complementary gene action of a dominant and a recessive
factor along with variable penetrance and expressivity. Warren (1950)
did not suggest a mode of inheritance, but said that there was no
evidence of sex-linkage."

pp. 201-202, Poultry Breeding and Genetics -- Roy D. Crawford,
Elsevier, 1990.

 

[pasofinofarm]

Nice looking birds and eggs everybody!

 

[pasofinofarm]

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Wade Jeane (a popular Marans breeder from the south) bred two lines of Black Copper Marans... He called one C1 and the other C2. He lost most of his coops to a storm a while back and dispersed his flocks. He still is involved and was at a recent poultry show (I hear)... at this point nearly everyone claims to have decendents of his birds and many do. Or at least that is what I have been able ot pick up around here...

 

[pasofinofarm]

I've read it Amazon... it was one of the first things to come up on search when I got word about the chicks. I am truly hoping it is this pullet that I have removed. I did a lot of hatching last year and never saw the defect. I at first thought it was a recessive and that it was my new roo... that would have been really sad as he is beautiful but I can not find any fault in his feet... they are perfect. The pullet has the very slighest hing of webbing hidden by her feathers.

 

[texasgal]

What are you doing up at 0330 in the morning???

 

[pinkchick]

Quote:
Me too! I'm not in love with Black Copper Marans......I am in love with the Splash and Blue Copper and Blues more than anything. Just have to have some of the Black Coppers around for the breeding program, ya know what I'm sayin'?
Heck...... I don't even own a Black Copper Rooster.....may keep one or two out of these up coming hatches and see how they grow out, but I will only keep them on for breeding purposes down the road if something where to happen to the adult Blue Coppers and Splash boys that I have now along with their Bl-CPR and Splash sons that I am growing out.

I also fancy the Wheaties but do not have any of them. They are beautiful birds.

I know everybody has them, but I still like the look of the Black Coppers. They're sleek and black and they have style

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/11818_marans_22_weeks_006.jpg

Except for this guy; he's a Ne'er do well

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/11818_marans_22_weeks_008.jpg

Oh please don't get me wrong, Black Coppers are beautiful birds and I do admire and apppreciate them....guess I was just trying to say that they are just not my favorite color variety. I will have them in my flocks and breeding pens until I can no longer do this kind of stuff.

 

[drom]

Quote:
I've posted the following info before, but I don't remember whether it was in this thread or somewhere else. Here it is again!

syndactyly = fused toes
ptilopody = feathered feet and toes
brachydactyly = shortened toes

"Syndactyly is a condition in which the third and fourth toes are
fused, usually by continuous webbing between the toes (Figure 6.6).
The extent of webbing varies distally and between toes. In extreme
cases the toes are tightly tied together, and the nail of the fourth
toe may be bent out of its median position making walking difficult.
The condition is usually expressed in both feet. Syndactyly has been
associated with both ptilopody and brachydactyly by several workers
(Davenport, 1909; Danforth, 1919a, 1919b; Jaap, 1939). They proposed
that the same gene was responsible for all three of these conditions
and that modifying genes and genetic background determine the
phenotype of each individual. Davenport's (1909) data showed
syndactyly to be dominant. This would be expected if one of the
dominant shank feathering genes were responsible for it. Danforth
(1929) suggested that both of the dominant shank feathering genes
were able to produce syndactyly. A relationship between these two
traits was further strengthened with the appearance of the single
gene multitrait mutant psp reported by McGibbon and Shackelford (192)
and Smyth (1981) in which syndactyly and ptilopody were shown to be
caused by the same recessive gene.

There probably is more than one genetic type of syndactyly. Two
studies have been made of this trait in clean-legged stock, where
ptilopody genes could not be involved. One study used White Plymouth
Rocks (Warren, 1950) and the other one involved junglefowl stock
(Hollander and Brumbaugh, 1969). In both cases, results from crosses
were difficult to interpret. Warren (1950) found that the normal
parent had a major influence on F1 progeny; he got only 1.8 percent
syndactylism in one group of F1 crosses but 41 percent in another,
syndactyl x syndactyl crosses produced 62 percent affected progeny,
and there were only 11.9 percent affected in the F2 generation. The
comparable results from Hollander and Brumbaugh (1969) were zero, 40
and one percent affected birds. Although Warren (1950) had somewhat
more affected individuals, these two groups may well have been
working with the same genetic complex. Hollander and Brumbaugh (1969)
proposed complementary gene action of a dominant and a recessive
factor along with variable penetrance and expressivity. Warren (1950)
did not suggest a mode of inheritance, but said that there was no
evidence of sex-linkage."

pp. 201-202, Poultry Breeding and Genetics -- Roy D. Crawford,
Elsevier, 1990.

Thanks Amazondoc

 

[pinkchick]

Quote:
You can keep the Blue and Splash with your black coppers. I'm assuming that your birds are Blue Copper and Copper Splash (not all splash have copper in them), if this is the case then when you breed this flock and hatch babies from them you will get all three colors.
Black Copper , Blue Copper and Splash. My favorites! Hope this helps!

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Well, I reweighed my eggs last night....end of Day 4.

The BC Marans had averaged a 2.1% loss...okay...the Banty Aracaunas, 2.2%...okay...sounds good...
The four little gamey birds, 2.45%...and then things start getting weird...the Olive Egger, 2.9%; Penedesenca (super light one), 3.6%; and the last one, 4.7%!

So most of these kids need to start speedin' up the progress, but the three on the far right side are going too quickly.

I wonder if it could be their position inside the 'bator...that side is the side that faces the room. The back and the other side are in the corner, 6" away from the walls. I dunno. They are sitting farther away from the vents than the Marans on the other side.

I suppose I'll focus on the Marans and Araucauna eggs and let their weight loss be my guide. I had been keeping the humidity at 35%, then let it go down to 25, add water to bring it back to 35. With these Day 4 weight results, I'll probably just keep doing the same, maybe being just a wee bit more aggressive at letting it drop for a bit longer.

Maybe the Penedesencas are just crazy and so are these eggs? They'd been on strike for weeks and then laid these too-light eggs.