# Math people, I need some help!

Discussion in 'Random Ramblings' started by Ec_Prokta, Jun 8, 2010.

1. ### Ec_ProktaContinuum Shift Anomaly

Jan 14, 2009
A math problem Mom and I found while we were doing out math was impossible to figure out how to do. Could you help, please?

A teacher wrote 2 numbers on the blackboard for his pupils to calculate the product of these two numbers. The last digit, 8 (Aka, the digit in the ones place.) was not written clearly so John mistook it for 6. As a result, the answer he got was 4740, which was wrong. Mary mistook the 8 for 3 and, after doing the problem, got 4695, which was also wrong. What is the correct answer?

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2. ### chicknerdSongster

Apr 28, 2010
NH
You have two equations with two unknowns.

For John, let x + 6 represent the first number, whose last digit is unknown but is known as 6 for now, let y represent the second number

Then John's equation is

(x+6)*y = 4740

Mary's equation is then

(x+3)*y = 4695

Solve for x and y

Your actual real first number will be (x+8)

So the real answer is

(x+8)*y

Hope this helps and it better not be an exam question!

3. ### Ec_ProktaContinuum Shift Anomaly

Jan 14, 2009
Thanks ChickNerd! And it's not an exam question. 4. ### MaidservantSongster

Feb 20, 2008
Norwich, Norfolk, UK
There is actually not enough information to complete the problem. We need to know at least how many digits were in each of those two numbers. Sounds like one of the SAT questions I tutor students with.

Emily in NC

5. ### HeatherLynnSongster

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May 11, 2009
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I was busy with my pencil and paper and linked this problem to the hubby, he found the answer I had labored over and had started trying to type out on yahoo so I just pasted theirs instead of continuing to try to type. You almost made it where I could not go to bed.

the formula X*(Y - 2) = 4740 comes about because he multiplied a number that was 2 shy of being the actual number. they gave us the hint that it was in the ones place. If it had been in the 10
s it would have been 20 off ... anywho so we know what x and the number less 2 results in and x and the number less 5 results in. We take that and solve for Y. Then plug the number back into the formula to find what x is.

Let Ms. White's first number be "X", and her second number be "Y".

John's equation:

X*(Y - 2) = 4740

Mary's equation:

X*(Y - 5) = 4695

Take the ratio of these two equations:

X*(Y - 2) 4740
----------- = --------
X*(Y - 5) 4695

The "X"s cancel:

(Y - 2) 4740
-------- = ------
(Y - 5) 4695

Cross multiply:

(4695)*(Y - 2) = 4740*(Y - 5)

4695Y - 2*4695 = 4740Y - 5*4740

Collect terms:

45Y = 5*4740 - 2*4695 = 14310

Y = 14310/45 = 318

X(318 - 5) = 4695

X = 4695/313 = 15

The correct answer is X*Y = 15*318 = 4770

Copied from yahoo http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090212184245AAXM721

6. ### chicknerdSongster

Apr 28, 2010
NH
Quote:Two equations and two unknowns. It is solvable. You do not need to know the number of digits either number is. X is a variable which represents any number, which means any number of digits.