medicated feed with ducklings?

[redhen]

could i mix medicated 1/2 and 1/2 with their chick/grower?

 

[goosedragon]

Sure you could but do you usually take half of the medicine your doctor prescribes for your diseases? Does that work well for you?

Amprolium is a coccidiostat not a coccidiocide In simple words it does not kill cocci it prevents them from reproducing in the poultry gut and eating out the lining. If only half of the cocci are able to reproduce they will just kill the chick slower or if have a nice strong chick it will be sick longer before the natural immune system does get strong enough to kill the cocci.

I am going to repeat one other way, the IMMUNE System does all the killing of the cocci, all the cocciostat does is slow the reproduction of the cocci so they don't reproduce so fast that the immune system can't handle them and they end up killing your bird. Once the immune system fights off the cocci your birds remain immune to that type of cocci for life. I do not intend to quit posting that amprolium is SAFE for WATERFOWL

 

[friedeggs]

GO GOOSE DRAGON!!!!
Yeah, they'll build an immunity to it. then when you need it later on it won't work well if at all

 

[goosedragon]

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Here I go with you! Who builds an immunity to it, the cocci or the ducks?
Do you believe in vaccination, it is the same principal. You prime the immune system so it is ready to deal with the cocci the next time a few get in the duck's system.The IMMUNE System does all the killing of the cocci, all the cocciostat does is slow the reproduction of the cocci so they don't reproduce so fast that the immune system can't handle them. I suppose if your ducks lived a few years in a cocci free system the immunity could wear off. Ducks have no exposure to cocci before hatch. It takes some time for the immune system to get up and producing anti-bodies to kill the cocci. If you don't mind the losses, you can raise ducks without a coccidiostat, things worked that way for years and years before there were any medicated feeds. If you want to stay in the dark ages be my guest, your ducks, your choice.

 

[friedeggs]

Tell me then whats the point of rotating antibacterial meds for treating for instance, bacterial issues like coccidia.???? Tell me then whats w/ all the super drug fighters in humans. ie bacterial resistance, same strains, they are immune to the pryor used drugs. Thats why there are different levels of meds to treat the same strains. NOT DIFFERENT KINDS OF BACTERIA like staph or strep.but w/i the same kind.. the same w/ wormers///// worm resistance.
the amprol in feeds is in low doses yes, to allow the body to kick start, because yes there is no natural defense system @ birth.Correct. THE DUCKLINGS WILL BUILD SOME IMMUNITY TO EACH STRAIN THEY ARE EXPOSED TO AS THEY GROW. thats why some breeders hatching there own eggs will introduce used bedding in small amounts to chicks/ducklings to build an immunity w/i their bodiesn like an coccidiastat.
If I {USED} wrong wording I am sorry. But please do not go off on a binge. I was and am standing w/ you on an issue.

 

[goosedragon]

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OK 'eggs I will try to remember you are on our side. Coccidia (cocci for short) are protozoa not bacteria. Cocci can only live and reproduce in live cells. how they pass from animal to animal is by a spore like structures named oocysts. These are shed into the poop of infected hosts. Only birds with a poor immune system(peeps and birds suffering from other diseases) are at risk of deadly illness. I have said before (maybe not in this string of posts) that you can raise hatchlings without a coccidiostat, lines had existed for many years before coccidiostats were discovered. Naturally raised peeps usually have at least a few losses to cocci, sometimes major losses. I think this will become my motto: Your money, your birds, your choice! Thank you friedeggs for your support.

 

[friedeggs]

Well, I feel better and worse. Wrong and right. More happy than sad.
Maybe I should have said amoeba, sporozoan.

In response to:
maybe not in this string of posts) that you can raise hatchlings without a coccidiostat, lines had existed for many years before coccidiostats were discovered. Naturally raised peeps usually have at least a few losses to cocci, sometimes major losses.

thats where It believe in relationship to your snippet I pasted above. How one could go about it today w/o meds.:

THE DUCKLINGS WILL BUILD SOME IMMUNITY TO (protozoa) THEY ARE EXPOSED TO AS THEY GROW. thats why some breeders hatching there own eggs will introduce used bedding in small amounts to chicks/ducklings to build an immunity w/i their bodies like an coccidiastat.

Does that fly Goosedragon? Ima stepping on eggshells

 

[goosedragon]

OF course you can, It sounds like about 70% of the readers on the waterfowl area firmly believe that medicated feed is still toxic to ducks. If they can do it so can you! I just believe that is better not to take the risk. Things change, If you want to do what your grandma did, go for it! Seems to be the rage today, organic farming, do not ship any of your production out of your area, buy local, etc. They call it sustainable farming, I call it subsistence farming. I grew up on a family subsistence farm, If we didn’t grow it we didn’t eat it and we had one cash crop for farm income. My father farmed the place during WWII with a team of horses even though he had a John Deere and a Fordson up on blocks in the barn. Oil products were rationed and we could make more selling the ration stamps than using it in the tractors. No thanks I don’t want to go back to the “good old days” nor do most people who lived through them because we remember how good they were not. The butter and egg money bought my clothing. the birds that "the fox ate" ended up on the table of people who had money but no 'meat ration stamps'. Sorry got carried away. Sure you can risk your peeps by using unmedicated starter.
Your money, your birds, your choice.

 

[friedeggs]

No no! I'm w/ you on the Amprol and NEWER sulfas for chicks ! My calls get medicated feed. An ounce of prevention... My chicks the same.

I chimed in much earlier with this as my first post:

So everyone knows, it was once believed that medicated starter w/ bad for waterfowl. YEP. 'cause is contained arsenic and sulfa based products. sooooo as long as you have the ingredients of your medicated bag look it up yourself. Yes. I would be scared to death feeding it to WF after all the things you can look up on the net. Coccidia--- is treated w/ amprolium in WF.

Because of the hoo ha of amprol and ducks. I thought I'd interject

 

[friedeggs]

oops thats the Newer Sulfas for older chickens.