Meds being taken off the shelf in 2017

[Birdrain92]

This VFD stuff is pretty confusing, even for us veterinary folk. We are not taught this in school (at least on clinics), so I've had to read up a lot about it myself. The new rules are definitely a frustration for backyard owners and poultry industry vets alike, but I do think ultimately this will be a good step in helping to control the over use of antibiotics. I just think things will be shaky for a while. Unfortunately right now, there just are not a lot of general practice vets willing to treat poultry. I think we will see this change in years to come but generally poultry med is not taught in schools unless you have an interest in it and pursue externships. Some people get a bit of poultry in exotics rotations and classes but it's not much. I know taking birds to an exotic bird vet is pricey and I never would have been able to afford that for my birds!

Big companies in the poultry business that don't have vets are now having to hire vets to comply with these new rules. It actually seems like it will work out to my advantage as there are more poultry vet jobs out there than can be filled.

My ultimate goal after working for some time in the poultry industry to get experience will be to become almost a consultant to private practitioners so that they can learn and feel comfortable with caring for poultry. I really, really think I could make a job like that work out and poultry vets I've spoken to seem to agree. So we'll see!

I do think large animal vets will be willing to prescribe since they are often out to farms anyway and it is easy for them to have a VCPR if they are already on a farm for other animals. It's worth asking your vets about now since January is not that far away!

There's a big demand for poultry vets. This and because so many vets are training for small animal or equine instead of the other fields. That's also why I want to be a mixed animal practice. Most likely after the first bit of the year there will be problems, but after a while the kinds will work there way out. After all we already have some medicine that require vets prescription. There just going to be more. Also it is good to help do our best to prevent disease from getting antibiotic resistance. Draw back can be because some vets don't know what to do and so they can't do much. They can making educated guesses on what could work. This is an important skill for vets, and a great learning experience for vets. But not all vets want to try it out. Also I think this only effects livestock industry. Such as dogs, cats, hamsters are not effected. But if you're a beef producer you need a vet's prescription.

 

[casportpony]

I read that as "the ionophores (Rumensin, Bovatec, Catalyst), the bambermycins (Gainpro), bacitracin (BMD, Baciferm), and tiamulin (Denegard)" still available, but all other water and feed antibiotics will require a VFD or prescription. All injectables antibiotics, amprolium, and wormers (with the exception of hygromycin B) not affected.

Let me know if I got that wrong.

-Kathy

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

Kathy, I have to ask some more questions about that and get back to you. Originally I thought injectables were affected as well but now I'm not 100% sure. I know amprolium will not be affected (I think only chemical coccidiostats will be) and I almost certain wormers will not be affected (though there's a huge resistance problem with those as well, but that's another discussion!).

If I am able to actually find a vet who knows the answer or I read anything different from what you posted, I'll let you know. The first time I really heard a lot about this was at a poultry vet meeting I attended the other day. I knew it was happening but really had no info about it. I did think it was a bit strange that so many small egg companies were all of a sudden looking for vets though!

 

[casportpony]

Kathy, I have to ask some more questions about that and get back to you. Originally I thought injectables were affected as well but now I'm not 100% sure. I know amprolium will not be affected (I think only chemical coccidiostats will be) and I almost certain wormers will not be affected (though there's a huge resistance problem with those as well, but that's another discussion!).

If I am able to actually find a vet who knows the answer or I read anything different from what you posted, I'll let you know. The first time I really heard a lot about this was at a poultry vet meeting I attended the other day. I knew it was happening but really had no info about it. I did think it was a bit strange that so many small egg companies were all of a sudden looking for vets though!

Thanks, let me know what you find out. Here is a list I found:
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary...ce/JudiciousUseofAntimicrobials/ucm390429.htm

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

and this:
http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/ucm482106.htm








-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/dont_wait_be_ready_new_antibiotic_rules_for_2017

Are all antibiotics affected?

It is important to note not all antibiotics will be considered VFD drugs (Figure 1). The use of injectable antibiotics will not be affected. At this time, FDA has only moved antibiotics essential to human medicine and being fed to animals to VFD status. Also, as a part of the new FDA changes, water soluble antibiotics, which are important to human medicine, will now require a prescription from a veterinarian. This transition of water soluble drugs will include Aureomycin

Water Soluble Concentrate (Chlortetracycline).
Figure 1. Present listing of in and on feed antibiotics outside of VFD directive.*
Carbadox Ractopamine
Bambermycin Melengestrol
Ionophores (i.e. lasalocid and monensin) Decoquinate
Tiamulin Fenbendazole
Bacitracin Amprolium
*Unless used in combination with a VFD drug.

 

[casportpony]

Check out these TSC links:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/pfizer-animal-health-liquamycin-la-200-100-ml
no comment on needing rx

but the powder says this: "As of January 1, 2017 this item will no longer be carried by Tractor Supply Company due to updated FDA regulations surrounding Veterinary Feed Directive (VFD) drugs. For more information, please click here: http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/ucm071807.htm"
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/oxytetracycline-soluble-powder-6-2-5-oz

-Kathy

 

[eagrbeavr]

Good morning chicken people. I've had chickens only a couple years and I'd like to have a half decent med supply for the birds. With this new directive coming down, what exactly are some of the products I should be getting my hands on. The common stuff. I don't need a pharmacy. The only thing I have is some left over Corid powder. Am I on the right track with wanting to get Duramycin and Tylan? I appreciate the direction

Colleen

 

[casportpony]

Good morning chicken people. I've had chickens only a couple years and I'd like to have a half decent med supply for the birds. With this new directive coming down, what exactly are some of the products I should be getting my hands on. The common stuff. I don't need a pharmacy. The only thing I have is some left over Corid powder. Am I on the right track with wanting to get Duramycin and Tylan? I appreciate the direction

Colleen

Tylan Powder is already prescription only, but can be found on ebay and amazon (no prescription), but would be best to check the expiration date if you're going to buy it.

If you're thinking about stocking up on Tylan 50 or Tylan 200, no need to, those are both injectables and are *not* affected by the new law. Corid is also unaffected.

Only drugs that will need a prescription are *antibiotics* that are meant to be mixed in water or feed.


-Kathy

 

[eagrbeavr]

Thanks Kathy. I understand its the antibiotics tho. What are some products of those I should get my hands on. Neomycin? Terramycin? Thanks. Sorry if I'm being a bother.