Meet the "Warlander" a new fad breed of horse

[Peaches Lee]

Wow! As a person who has worked extensively with Andalusians, Lipizzans and Friesians (at 50 day stallion testings no less!) I don't even know where to begin with this thread!

 

[WIChookchick]

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There was a farm/ranch in Australia that decided to cross Trekehners to Cleveland bays.... 10 yrs ago we saw the offspring and website..
WOW those were some FUGLY babies and horses...
lean bodies like the Trekehners, and the big ole mule ears of the clevelands...
OOOOOOKKKKKKK

There was a ranch up in MN that was trying to breed appy/fresian crosses, they were cute, but WHY!!!

 

[Celtic Hill]

Don't hate on mule ears!

 

[michickenwrangler]

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There was a farm/ranch in Australia that decided to cross Trekehners to Cleveland bays.... 10 yrs ago we saw the offspring and website..
WOW those were some FUGLY babies and horses...
lean bodies like the Trekehners, and the big ole mule ears of the clevelands...
OOOOOOKKKKKKK

There was a ranch up in MN that was trying to breed appy/fresian crosses, they were cute, but WHY!!!

Didn't they also try crossing TBs with Exmoors?

 

[Celtic Hill]

So what would be an appropriate cross for a Frisian?

I really like the Frisian Saddlebred Crosses.

 

[RabbitMage]

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I've seen some nice crosses like that. I've also seen a few nice Friesian/Arab crosses.

I do NOT like them crossed with stock horses. I just...why? Why would you do that?

 

[SourRoses]

Huh? I am soo confused as to why people are so upset over this. The reason people cross horses? Try to make new breeds? Every person desires something slightly different from what is available. Sure there are a lot of *fabulous* horse breeds already in existence. But we wouldnt have many of those fabulous breeds if people settled for what there is and never tried to make an idea happen. It seems from the website, they are working with these for use as sport horse, perhaps dressage horses... and aren't the dressage people always crossing breeds to make something each person desires? Since none of us have seen this breed in person, how can you say for sure they dont fufill some niche, and share some qualties that other horses dont? I dont get it, thats all. Its a horse, so admire it anyway LOL! I dont see how Fresians and Andalusians "are completely different" from each other. I see many similarities in confirmation. The only thing I would say is, it doesent look like they used breed standard "typey horses" much from either breed... and thats what they should have done. And *ahem* they are *not* a cross with a flighty breed with a surprisingly low intelect.
Whats with the "cull" thing? People cull chickens, fine. People cull ornamental fish, fine. To euthanize an animal because it is not suited for breeding or sale purposes. But people dont cull dogs. And people dont cull horses. In America anyway. (not speaking of slaughter, or shelters) If people did "cull" either, I would... intentionally left blank. So there. People breed to bad results too. Like the kind that "cull" companion animals.
I see people, all the time, riding, enjoying, posting photos of, complete mutt horses, or horses of breeds I do not personally care for... and I dont say, "what the heck were they thinking?" As Im sure most people here dont either. We know it is each persons choice, and what matters most to them and the discipline they are involved in. So because these people actually formed a plan before they bred their horses, and you dont approve of the plan, it's automatically a bad one? They're still horses. We should still love them anyway. They really look quite nice. They probably fit the purpose quite well. Just my 50 cents... again.... I cant keep my nose out of anything

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[Celtic Hill]

"Culling is the process of removing animals from a group based on specific criteria. This is done in order to either reinforce certain desirable characteristics or to remove certain undesirable characteristics from the group"

It doesn't mean to kill...

 

[EweSheep]

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2x I cull my chickens too, and they all had good homes!

 

[welsummerchicks]

Actually, Celtic, it means that animals with severe deformities or that violate breed standard in serious ways, ARE killed. Only animals with less serious violations of the standard are allowed to survive; they are neutered and sold to pet homes. THEY MUST BE NEUTERED.

In the old days, the animal might be sold to the rag picker and put to work pulling a cart - AS A GELDING.

When people do not follow this with horses, when they sell inferior animals as breeding animals (AND ANY NON NEUTERED ANIMAL IS A BREEDING ANIMAL) they are affecting the gene pool of the entire breed.

And in fact, actually, a good many very dedicated breeders still put down chicks, goslings, pups, lambs, foals, calves at birth IF they have severe deformities, and even, if they violate the standard of the breed in a serious way.

It kind of depends. For example, a breeder of a certain dog breed may have a stud dog that makes a lot of puppies with - a problem It may be - say - a white color may often or always carry a lethal gene. 75% of pups that are white, will die from this lethal gene.

IF his lady dog has 12 pups and she can only reasonably raise six, he puts six of them down, and he chooses which ones he's going to put down based on what issues they have.

With foals, it's a little different. A breeder spends a lot of money to get a mare in foal and the mare only has one foal at a time.

For non-serious or greedy breeders, there is a very, very strong incentive to not cull foals, even if they do seriously violate the breed standard or have serious deformities. A breeder who has a number of mares (one breeding farm I worked at had 360 mares) he may be more willing to put down the bad foals.

In general, all the animals with serious faults are put down at birth. Animals with lesser problems are neutered and sold as pets.

And some people aren't very ethical in making those choices. A lot of people sell horses as breeding animals when they should NOT be contributing to the gene pool.

Sure, if a foal just isn't up to standard, isn't the right color or markings, it can be neutered and sold as a pet. But that isn't what I'mm talking about.

Nobody ever suggested that keeping a gene pool healthy for hundreds of years was an easy or pretty job, Celtic. In fact it is a very difficult job and it takes a great deal of ethics and firmness of purpose.

When breeders won't do the right thing - animals can suffer for months and months and die slow deaths.

I don't know why people make animals suffer like this - but they do. I won't post the pics of the horribly deformed foal a backyard breeder would not put down. OR of the severely deformed foal a breeder sold to a friend of mine. It could barely walk across a paddock by the time it was 2. It would never be rideable. The breeder kept telling her - oh just wait, it will be fine. Because she did not want to honor her lofty sounding guarantee and send the lady a foal with four usable legs. That was one of the sickest things I've ever seen in my life. And my friend just kept BELIEVING the breeder, oh it will straighten up. All it did was get worse as the animal got taller and heavier.

When a foal has severely deformed legs, an abnormal heart, deformed hind quarters, a deformed back, a veterinarian will tell you it's never going to 'get better'. Especially if the foal has ALL THREE - SEVERELY.

A foal can usually can walk around, even run, for a month or so. But once it has grown a little the heart or the legs or back can no longer support the body, and the poor animal dies an agonizing death, damaging itself and causing more pain in its attempts to keep movingh about, usually drawn out and prolonged for months, by people who don't have the love and caring in their soul to do what's right.

A good many people simply won't listen to the vet. They think they're being 'kind' by allowing this animal to grow and get heavier and start tearing its legs down trying to walk. Maybe they think they can sell the animal and get some money out of it, or maybe they think people will admire them for being 'caring' and 'trying everything'.

In fact they cause horrible suffering, all because they simply don't have the fortitude to do what is right.