Michigan Thread - all are welcome!

[fuzzybutt love]

First of all, i would not do the pyrmethrin and the ivermectin on the same chicken at the same time. Both can go into the blood, and though if you do it on the legs the pymethrin SHOULDN'T don't mean it won't.

Ok, so i think these are your options, for safety's sake; You can do the ivermectin on everyone, and the vasaline. If nothing else this will keep the mites from spreading. You could buy the permethrin and dilute it according to the directions on the bottle for spraying the coop, and use it to spray the roosts really good. That will stop the little buggers from crawling in the night!
OR you could treat the mites first, then ivermectin everyone; if you do this still vasaline the others as a preventative. This is the treatment i have come up with that should work in the first try, unlike the old methods that required dipping twice a day for weeks; this is the same dose of pyrmethrin as the human treatment for scabies, which is very similar.

I can't say for sure that it wipes them out in the first treatment, but it does in humans and i'm fairly certain it does for them too. I swear if hen's could smile.........the hen i treated looked so much more RELAXED the next day; they must itch! I did do it twice to treat my hen, once a week for two weeks. Still much easier than the old way! Do not eat the eggs for a long time though; just to be safe! I gave it a month and erred on the side of caution! Probably only needed a couple weeks, but i am sensitive to pymethrin and get sick to my stomach from touching it. Wear gloves if you are that way, it is the same stuff as what's in dog flea stuff too.

 

[fuzzybutt love]

This is off my "wonder page" lol. Glad to be of use


Leg Mites, (how i do it)

For leg mites i mix 1 part permethrin with 1 part partially melted vasaline.
The only hesitation i have is the dosage, since that is for a big bird. For a banty i would try only 1 part permethrin to 2 parts vasaline, see if that works first.
The day before i do it i wash the legs, smear plain vasaline up into the scales, and let it soften (If it's a bad case) Then the day of i take a toothpick and GENTLY pick as much of the mite crud out of the scales as i can without hurting (again, if it's a bad case where the scales are raised) This helps the meds penetrate better.
Then i go to treating, smear the medicated vasaline UP into the scales on the whole leg, toes and all. This treatment not only smothers the mites, it kills them on contact. I have done it on new birds, and it seems to work in one treatment! You can do it again in a week if it makes you feel better Another option would be to use olive oil instead of the vasaline, that may be better for the showing since it won't be as sticky.

This hen's scales were all standing straight up, this is a month after the treatment. All but a couple scales had layed back down, it took a bit of time for them to lay flat again because of how bad it had been. There are instructions that come with the bottle for making poultry spray, if you have wood roosts i would spray them as well just to be sure the little buggers are really gone.

 

[SillyChicken]

snows a comin!

 

[fuzzybutt love]

Uh-Oh, better get moving then....... DH is supposed to do my breaks on the car today!

 

[gladahmae]

First of all, i would not do the pyrmethrin and the ivermectin on the same chicken at the same time. Both can go into the blood, and though if you do it on the legs the pymethrin SHOULDN'T don't mean it won't.

Ok, so i think these are your options, for safety's sake; You can do the ivermectin on everyone, and the vasaline. If nothing else this will keep the mites from spreading. You could buy the permethrin and dilute it according to the directions on the bottle for spraying the coop, and use it to spray the roosts really good. That will stop the little buggers from crawling in the night!
OR you could treat the mites first, then ivermectin everyone; if you do this still vasaline the others as a preventative. This is the treatment i have come up with that should work in the first try, unlike the old methods that required dipping twice a day for weeks; this is the same dose of pyrmethrin as the human treatment for scabies, which is very similar.

I can't say for sure that it wipes them out in the first treatment, but it does in humans and i'm fairly certain it does for them too. I swear if hen's could smile.........the hen i treated looked so much more RELAXED the next day; they must itch! I did do it twice to treat my hen, once a week for two weeks. Still much easier than the old way! Do not eat the eggs for a long time though; just to be safe! I gave it a month and erred on the side of caution! Probably only needed a couple weeks, but i am sensitive to pymethrin and get sick to my stomach from touching it. Wear gloves if you are that way, it is the same stuff as what's in dog flea stuff too.

Oh good to know about not doubling up!! We'll do straight vaseline and ivermectin then and see if that clears it up. We're discarding all eggs from these ladies for about a month anyway, so that's not an issue. I'll probably do the ivermectin. wait a week, permethrin, wait a week, ivermectin (so I have a 2 week gap in the ivermectin to break the lifecycle) and see how things look on the legs then. At that point, if everyone is looking good and healthy, we'll divide the big coop, move the new girls in, and give them a few weeks to get to know eachother.

Hmmmm. That puts me into when I was going to move the chicks in too. Maybe I'll need to tri-divide the coop for all 3 groups. *sigh* Or just leave the chicks where they are until the beginning of March. Or just throw them all together and hope they can figure things out.

and HOPEFULLY Lilly's (the GLW) limp will be gone by then (3 weeks). It's much less pronounced than it was 5 days ago, but it's definately there. Poor girl.

 

[Chicken Rustler]

Quote: Yes I totally agree ONE medicine at a time. Also yes MANY meds do require time of not eating the eggs, meat or any product from the treated critter.

 

[tdhenson86]

Chicken Rustler, thank you for sharing, that had to be a hard thing to do but I hope you will be fit as a fiddle soon!

I hope all of y'all had a wonderful Christmas! I had been super busy making a lot of home made gifts but now my sewing machine is put away for a much needed rest.

x2! Thank you for sharing! We often think that around holidays, suicide rates go up. In fact, that is not true. We need to be aware of changes in the behavior, emotions, and moods of our loved ones at all times. This is a very good reminder for us to be on the lookout and let our family members know that we are there for them if they should need anything.

 

[BobBry]

Perhaps some solar lights are better than others; mine won't recharge when it's cloudy. ?

Anyway, kinda gross but i added this poop chart to my disease/ diagnosing notes, i really love this gal! She has outdone herself again, this is the most down to earth and detailed explanation yet i have found on what's normal and what's not http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/02/whats-scoop-on-chicken-poop-digestive.html

I did say it was gross, but for those of us who can't go to the vet...... really necessary to have all the info one can get!!!

Good to get the straight poop. ( As Nova might say," he,he."

Question....I raised my shed that is going to be my coop 16 inches off the ground...is that enough or do I need to go higher?

I had 16 in high last year. Dropped to 11.5 this year (block + 2x4 on wide side) now cause of 6 ft high chain link on run and 4 ft hen house height. Made removing roof difficult to say the least. Doable now. Two blocks worked for 4x8 coop. Except for the roof thing.

Mine are up 2 feet. Perfect enough to shimmy under if you need to collect/retrieve things.

Hey TC and CR, nice to see you guys!

Had a very nice Christmas with my BF's family. They are really great folks and treat me well, but I missed seeing at least some of my family on Christmas. Not that we really spend Christmas together anymore, since we are spread out all over the US. Got a great old Schwinn fat-tired bike to use while down here, it is very cool and retro. The best gift was the great fishing yesterday afternoon, we caught 4 huge Black Drum, a couple Sheepshead, Mangrove Snappers, and a Redfish. At the dock when we cleaned them there were great and lesser egrets, pelicans, and a HUGE Wood Stork surrounding us, all looking for fish-cleaning handouts. It was almost as good as the fishing.

I do hope my birds are all weathering the snow well, but am not yet in a hurry to come home - going to the East coast today and it is supposed to be in the 80's.

One regret I have is not doing some fishing in the P. I. or Cal. Did in Tenn. and Miss. though. In 50s.

I can't see real well in the pic but. IMO yes it looks like a very mild / early case of mites. Myself I would go on the side of caution and treat the entire flock!!! Please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. Based on what I am able to see in the pic.

OK to my MI. friends. I hope you don't mind me sharing this. It is NOT something I am proud of. However I am sharing in hopes of helping others and I really hope each and everyone of you will read it.

OK I am going to talk very serious about something. I hope that EVERYBODY will PLEASE read this even if you don't like my posts.
I am sharing this information in hopes that it may help someone. It is not intended for any other purpose.
If by chance you notice changes in yourself or someone around you. PLEASE DO NOT just pass it off. Try to determine a cause. Now more specifically what I am talking about is mood / emotional changes. There could be an underlying cause that could be solved very easy but if left unchecked could be terrible.
OK so I guess about the only way I know how to relay this is to jump under the bus. Please try to understand that I am only doing this in attempt to help others and maybe in that some may have a better understanding of me, especially those who have met in person.
OK so here is my point. If you notice changes give a good look at things such as MEDICATIONS !!!!
See I had been on a med for NARCOLEPSY (a sleep disorder) then 9/2010 the Dr. changed that med. I was OK with that. Well I had been on a downhill spiral since. I really didn't know how bad or the cause until last week. See I ran out of that med and while waiting was forced to go back to the original. Now this is the part that is embarrassing but I feel the need to share just so others can see what kinds of things can happen and hopefully help others. See on the med I started 9/2010 I had reached the point where simple little things like just reading certain posts would cause me to become teary. I am sure many who have met me may have noticed and wondered what the heck! I was also struggling with other VERY bad thoughts nearly daily. I have now been back on the "old" med for one week. No Tears No VERY bad thoughts. My point is PLEASE if you or someone around you seems to be having problems of this nature PLEASE get help /try to help them. I was VERY LUCKY that I had a couple of AWESOME friends who on more than one occasion helped me through melt downs. While they were there for me. They didn't know me before so it was hard for them to do much more than be very supportive and I am so thankful to them for that.
I truly hope that nobody else goes through this kind of thing but I hope that this post may shed some light and maybe help others to catch things like this earlier than I did.
Hopefully you will soon see a better (more like) the "old" me that most of you don't know!
Rob

Drug withdrawal is mostly a nasty event. No matter what the drug is. Even caffeine

This is off my "wonder page" lol. Glad to be of use


Leg Mites, (how i do it)

For leg mites i mix 1 part permethrin with 1 part partially melted vasaline.
The only hesitation i have is the dosage, since that is for a big bird. For a banty i would try only 1 part permethrin to 2 parts vasaline, see if that works first.
The day before i do it i wash the legs, smear plain vasaline up into the scales, and let it soften (If it's a bad case) Then the day of i take a toothpick and GENTLY pick as much of the mite crud out of the scales as i can without hurting (again, if it's a bad case where the scales are raised) This helps the meds penetrate better.
Then i go to treating, smear the medicated vasaline UP into the scales on the whole leg, toes and all. This treatment not only smothers the mites, it kills them on contact. I have done it on new birds, and it seems to work in one treatment! You can do it again in a week if it makes you feel better Another option would be to use olive oil instead of the vasaline, that may be better for the showing since it won't be as sticky.

Would not the fact that bantams have smaller legs, therefore less area for the medication to be spread on also contribute to a smaller dose of the active ingredient? I'm just wondering if one need reduce the ratio too.

 

[snowflake]

Quote:

someone used Skin-So-Soft with great success, just sprayed it on

HI! HH good to hear from you, Hope you had a wonderful Christmas

 

[snowflake]

found the roof rake (for snow) works real well for cleaning under coops