Michigan

[NovaAman]

I figure what ever I can put in a gallon of water before i let them out in the morning... I have a bunch who have NEVER been handled. They come running for food, but other than that, never been handled.

On another note, I think what ever was ailing Miss Isa is not ailing her anymore. I brought her back outside since she was making such a racket while in confinement. SO, when I set her in the coop, she jumped down and ran for the food, and chowed down. Tail was up and she was standing tall like she normally does... Think the craw massage helped? Dunno... But I won't worry about her all nite as much now.

But this was her general stance most the day...

 

[chicken grandma]

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That hen's stance looks like she is in abdominal pain. I would like to suggest that you and Jaime have a fecal check done and determine if you have internal parasites in your flocks before you start giving your chickens any worm medicine. If your chicken has coccidia, that would mean she has an inflamed intestinal lining. Can you imagine how painful it would be for her to be wormed? Wazine can be quite irritating. Besides, you don't know if you have worms at all or what kind of worms you have in your flock. There are many types of wormers for different types of worms. Why guess and take a shot without knowing what your target is? Also, it is cost effective to take a fecal sample to a vet and then get the correct wormer in the correct dose. Buying various wormers and trying to solve health problems by giving worm medicine is a poor strategy. Find out what is wrong with your chickens and then you won't waste time, money or cause injury to your flock by guessing.

 

[NovaAman]

So, should I go out and get her and bring her back in to confinement so I will know the stool sample is hers? I can put up with her having a fit. LOL. Or If she has it maybe they all do?

 

[Chickmate]

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baby - I use Ivomec for worms and lice/mites. This is the link I referred to for the information: http://www.sweeth2o.us/health.html

 

[Chickmate]

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That hen's stance looks like she is in abdominal pain. I would like to suggest that you and Jaime have a fecal check done and determine if you have internal parasites in your flocks before you start giving your chickens any worm medicine. If your chicken has coccidia, that would mean she has an inflamed intestinal lining. Can you imagine how painful it would be for her to be wormed? Wazine can be quite irritating. Besides, you don't know if you have worms at all or what kind of worms you have in your flock. There are many types of wormers for different types of worms. Why guess and take a shot without knowing what your target is? Also, it is cost effective to take a fecal sample to a vet and then get the correct wormer in the correct dose. Buying various wormers and trying to solve health problems by giving worm medicine is a poor strategy. Find out what is wrong with your chickens and then you won't waste time, money or cause injury to your flock by guessing.

Yes, she certainly does not look good in that picture. You can see her eyes are even droopy and it looks like she is in pain.

 

[chicken grandma]

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baby - I use Ivomec for worms and lice/mites. This is the link I referred to for the information: http://www.sweeth2o.us/health.html

Except that you don't know if your chickens even have worms Jaime. I'm sorry to harp on this folks but I disagree with treating animals with medicine when you do not have evidence that you have a parasite. Those medicines are made to treat a diagnosed problem.

 

[babigyrl22]

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baby - I use Ivomec for worms and lice/mites. This is the link I referred to for the information: http://www.sweeth2o.us/health.html

Except that you don't know if your chickens even have worms Jaime. I'm sorry to harp on this folks but I disagree with treating animals with medicine when you do not have evidence that you have a parasite. Those medicines are made to treat a diagnosed problem.

I was really wanting to know some preventative methods as the ones i mentioned previously. I am not treating any if my birds that arent showing symptoms. If i can prevent ailments that is my preferred method of defense which is the same stance i have with my dogs.

 

[chicken grandma]

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baby - I use Ivomec for worms and lice/mites. This is the link I referred to for the information: http://www.sweeth2o.us/health.html

Except that you don't know if your chickens even have worms Jaime. I'm sorry to harp on this folks but I disagree with treating animals with medicine when you do not have evidence that you have a parasite. Those medicines are made to treat a diagnosed problem.

I just looked at that link. It talks about using Ivomec as prevention and talks about someone using it for 20 years. I strongly disagree with that plan. I have had chickens for 11 years. Every year I spend $20 for a fecal check on the flock. I just throw some poop in a bag and drop it at a vets. ONLY 3 TIMES has it shown worms. Twice it was round worms, which required one kind of medicine and the vet gave me the name and the dose. Once it was a postive result for tape worms and that was another kind of medicine and dose. And 8 times I NEEDED TO GIVE MY BIRDS NOTHING because they tested negative for worms. Every year in July, I use a bit of pyrethrin spray on the birds for mites. And that is IT!
So why would someone use Ivermectin every single year if they did not have to? That is not cost effective and it is not healthy for the hens or the eggs. Also, if you are having sick birds do not assume it is a worm. But if you suspect it is - take a poop sample somewhere and find out if you are right.

 

[chicken grandma]

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Except that you don't know if your chickens even have worms Jaime. I'm sorry to harp on this folks but I disagree with treating animals with medicine when you do not have evidence that you have a parasite. Those medicines are made to treat a diagnosed problem.

I was really wanting to know some preventative methods as the ones i mentioned previously. I am not treating any if my birds that arent showing symptoms. If i can prevent ailments that is my preferred method of defense which is the same stance i have with my dogs.

I don't know that you can really prevent worms. If a cat poops under a bush and your hens get into the poop, then you could have tapeworms. If wild birds birds are eating your chicken food and your hens get round worms from them, I guess methods for keeping the wild birds out would be the best prevention. I don't know that pumpkin seeds would be helpful. I just test yearly and treat when I have a parasite. Hope I don't sound too crabby but I don't like to see animals inappropriately medicated. We would never do that to our dogs and cats.

 

[NovaAman]

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That hen's stance looks like she is in abdominal pain. I would like to suggest that you and Jaime have a fecal check done and determine if you have internal parasites in your flocks before you start giving your chickens any worm medicine. If your chicken has coccidia, that would mean she has an inflamed intestinal lining. Can you imagine how painful it would be for her to be wormed? Wazine can be quite irritating. Besides, you don't know if you have worms at all or what kind of worms you have in your flock. There are many types of wormers for different types of worms. Why guess and take a shot without knowing what your target is? Also, it is cost effective to take a fecal sample to a vet and then get the correct wormer in the correct dose. Buying various wormers and trying to solve health problems by giving worm medicine is a poor strategy. Find out what is wrong with your chickens and then you won't waste time, money or cause injury to your flock by guessing.

Yes, she certainly does not look good in that picture. You can see her eyes are even droopy and it looks like she is in pain.

Yes, That is why I was sure something was wrong with her. Again, after I flipped her upside down and massaged her craw/belly and I also continued to masage while she was in the carrier... I didn't get a picture after, but she was standing up all proud and perky as ever and started eating and making the biggest fuss so I took her back out to the coop and she got down and beelined for the food, got up in the coop, got back down, back to the food, the water, the food the water, back to bed... I am going to get a flashlight and check where she's roosting for hte night, and try for a poop from that general area. I hope my vet will be able to check it here. I might have to go out to hamilton