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[Minniechickmama]

That is why we want to build. We originally planned to add on to the house when we bought it but once we started making a list of updates to the old house on top of an addition, we realized it would be better to build new. We do plan on using part of the existing foundation too. Like Ralphie, I would love to do an 'alternative building style' but DW doesn't go for it. I love her more than I love alternative building styles, so traditional it is.

I love my husband more than our house, which is why I have looked at all the alternative ideas he has had along our journey together LOL Which is why I spent 10 days in a tent in the "temperate rain forest" of SW Oregon a few years ago, learning to stomp clay, straw, sand and water into cob.

 

[KlopKlop]

I love my husband more than our house, which is why I have looked at all the alternative ideas he has had along our journey together LOL  Which is why I spent 10 days in a tent in the "temperate rain forest" of SW Oregon a few years ago, learning to stomp clay, straw, sand and water into cob.

Don't forget the clothing option 'spirit hike'

 

[Minniechickmama]

It may not be a formworks per se'.. it is an above ground which has "gunnite" like cement and foam sprayed around the outside shell.

I think the outdoor stoves burn a lot cleaner than a fireplace. Like almost every lawmaker has. I am fairly certain if your figure out how many "particulates" go into the harvesting refining and transporting of oil, and compare it to gathering wood on my own woodlot. The outdoor stove wins, plus it is really renewable and not just able to be considered renewable because of a carbon tax. (phony renewables).

Sort of like an Electric car versus a an economical gas car when figuring in production, battery and electricity generation carbon usage.


I totally understand a "city" not wanting them because of the smell, some people do not like that and if everyone in a city has one, there is a haze over the area. If every home on a city block had one it would be yucky. Out in the country not so much.. BTW Just for full disclosure and honesty, I dislike the EPA. Just my redneckedness coming through, so ignore me.

I am not saying I agree or disagree, just that that is what I think the reasoning is behind getting rid of them. We have a neighbor who uses one that he bought used. He is 'on the cheap' over everything. It is old, it is not an efficient unit, and probably needs work, and that thing smokes like crazy. I think there are probably a fair few people like him who think they are saving money (and do if you can find all the free wood you can to burn), who will continue to use them even when they are creating an environmental hazard all on their own.
The reason we turned away from trying to install a wind turbine is the same as you had mentioned as well. Once you figure in all the costs of manufacturing some of this stuff, well, it doesn't really do much toward saving the environment.

 

[KlopKlop]

What the new house needs is to integrate with a chicken coop so I don't have to go outside to do chores.... Wouldn't that be nice.

 

[duluthralphie]

That is why we want to build. We originally planned to add on to the house when we bought it but once we started making a list of updates to the old house on top of an addition, we realized it would be better to build new. We do plan on using part of the existing foundation too. Like Ralphie, I would love to do an 'alternative building style' but DW doesn't go for it. I love her more than I love alternative building styles, so traditional it is.

I can understand all of that. When we bought this place we had to decide to either rip down or remodel. We went for the remodel and addition, but it was a coin toss.

I am afraid alternative building would cost me more in the long run after lawyer fees, retirement sharing and so forth to my DW and her lawyer.

 

[duluthralphie]

I am not saying I agree or disagree, just that that is what I think the reasoning is behind getting rid of them. We have a neighbor who uses one that he bought used. He is 'on the cheap' over everything. It is old, it is not an efficient unit, and probably needs work, and that thing smokes like crazy. I think there are probably a fair few people like him who think they are saving money (and do if you can find all the free wood you can to burn), who will continue to use them even when they are creating an environmental hazard all on their own.
The reason we turned away from trying to install a wind turbine is the same as you had mentioned as well. Once you figure in all the costs of manufacturing some of this stuff, well, it doesn't really do much toward saving the environment.

Big 10-4 on that. I have seem some idiots burning Railroad ties in those stoves and wondering why the city is PO'd at them.

They also require regular maintenance to keep them working properly.

Have you looked at solar electric panels? My BIL down by you has a huge array. It is amazing how much electric he gets from them. I am thinking of them but have not reached it enough to see if it is cost effective for me.

 

[duluthralphie]

What the new house needs is to integrate with a chicken coop so I don't have to go outside to do chores.... Wouldn't that be nice.

I would be perfectly happy living in an old barn hay mow with the animals below me. BUT I think, again, I would be paying the attorney, and my DW for years to come.

 

[KlopKlop]

Big 10-4 on that.  I have seem some idiots burning Railroad ties in those stoves and wondering why the city is PO'd at them.

 They also require regular maintenance to keep them working properly.

Have you looked at solar electric panels?   My BIL down by you has a huge array.   It is amazing how much electric he gets from them.  I am thinking of them but have not reached it enough to see if it is cost effective for me.

My parents went to a demonstration for a company that would install an array in your house and set it all up. They claimed it would pay for itself in 10 years. My dad had done a little research before and asked what the longevity of the panels were because the panels lose efficiency as the top surface ages and gets pits and hazy etc. the salesman begrudgingly admitted that in 10 years the panels were only at 60% of the original output or so....
Weigh in the impact of manufacturing to the environment and disposal at the end?? Makes one really wonder if you are really doing the planet any good or if these companies are just milking people who don't care to do their homework.

Let's take a page from the chickens and learn to live off the land and flow with the seasons

 

[duluthralphie]

Interesting klopKlop.

So 10 years @ 100%. but they do not give you 100% for 10 years,, Hmmmmmm


So real payback is closer to 15 and then you need to replace all the panels? Does the rest of the system denigrate or just the panels? The invertors and stuff he has are huge.






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I have a Loretta! My DW and I were doing chicken TV and the little CX that likes to get held was sitting in on my lap cooing. She is a sweetheart if I had not mentioned it before. I asked my DW if we should name it, as naming an animal is a huge event here.

She thought we should.. We just started saying names, Yea, I used names from here, when I got to Loretta she turned and looked at me. When she turned back I said " Loretta" and she turned again and I got one of those " well what the Double hockey stick do you want?"

My DW said she seems to like Loretta, so Loretta it is.

 

[KlopKlop]

Interesting klopKlop.

So 10 years @ 100%.   but they do not give you 100% for 10 years,, Hmmmmmm


So real payback is closer to 15 and then you need to replace all the panels?   Does the rest of the system denigrate or just the panels?  The invertors and stuff he has are huge.






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I have a Loretta!    My DW and I were doing chicken TV and the little CX that likes to get held was sitting in on my lap cooing.  She is a sweetheart if I had not mentioned it before.   I asked my DW if we should name it, as naming an animal is a huge event here.

She thought we should..  We just started saying names, Yea, I used names from here,  when I got to Loretta she turned and looked at me.   When she turned back I  said " Loretta" and she turned again and I got one of those " well what the Double hockey stick do you want?"

My DW said she seems to like Loretta, so Loretta it is.

I don't know if this system being hocked had batteries but those definitely degrade. I would maybe do solar if I built a home with 12v systems as a focus instead of having to convert to 110v which is a huge inefficient mess


I have recently named a few rainbows that I can distinguish. I have a petunia, Enid, Helga, and Bernice