MJ's little flock

[BDutch]

I assume the organisation registering them do not thoroughly check up on their expertise.

The problem is that the certificate is a falsification. Recently 3 persons in different organisations that handed out the false certificate are charged/prosecuted. It's a punishable offence and these person’s go to jail, if there is proof they got paid for the falsification.

 

[MaryJanet]

The problem is that the certificate is a falsification. Recently 3 persons in different organisations that handed out the false certificate are charged/prosecuted. It's a punishable offence and these person’s go to jail, if there is proof they got paid for the falsification.

I understand that.

But it seems odd to me that employers who are responsible for the wellbeing of vulnerable people would hire someone who isn't registered. When there's a professional society registering people like nurses and carers, the society thoroughly checks up on the nurse's credentials and certificates (eg by calling the university the certificate appears to be from). This is because the reputation of the professional society is at stake - they need to have genuinely excellent people on the register or the reputation of the profession will be tarnished.

Then, any employer who cares about their clients can focus on employing staff who are on the register. Simply call the professional society and ask if Joe Bloggs is a registered nurse.

 

[MaryJanet]

Mrs BY Bob is a registered nurse. She is licensed by the state and has to perform continuing education in order to maintain her license. Anyone can check on someone's nursing license status through the state.

Exactly. I'm a registered IT Professional and have to undertake similar education if I am to remain registered. However, I'm registered by a professional society and not the state.

That said, some govt departments will only hire registered IT professionals and the state trusts the professional society (among many many others) to advise on policy. Just today I chimed in on a pending govt policy.

 

[MaryJanet]

This is very disappointing.

How many asked questions to confirm they understood the assignment? I'm betting none of the ones who failed.

I have been extremely frustrated for about a month Bob.

Today I received a kind email from a student who called me an inspiration and who said she recalled my conversations with her from two years ago and I was so vulnerable from all the nastiness I've been experiencing, it brought me to tears.

 

[BDutch]

I understand that.

But it seems odd to me that employers who are responsible for the wellbeing of vulnerable people would hire someone who isn't registered. When there's a professional society registering people like nurses and carers, the society thoroughly checks up on the nurse's credentials and certificates (eg by calling the university the certificate appears to be from). This is because the reputation of the professional society is at stake - they need to have genuinely excellent people on the register or the reputation of the profession will be tarnished.

Then, any employer who cares about their clients can focus on employing staff who are on the register. Simply call the professional society and ask if Joe Bloggs is a registered nurse.

Our systems must be different from yours. We have nurses with a good education who have a lot of knowledge.
And we have caregivers (in Dutch its ziekenverzorger, google translated this as nurse too. I think caregiver is a better translation). Caregivers have less medical knowledge and help the patient to shower, make the bed etc. We have a shortage of caregivers with a diploma especially in homes for elderly who are not in hospital but in a nursing home bc they are far too needy to be able to live independently.

So our government allows helping hands for simple tasks under supervision. If someone has worked as a caregiver under supervision for several years, they don’t get a diploma but a certificate and can work without supervision for regular tasks with such a certificate. Because of the large number of mistakes the nurses and doctors got suspicious. And thats how the police got involved.

 

[MaryJanet]

Our systems must be different from yours. We have nurses with a good education who have a lot of knowledge.
And we have caregivers (in Dutch its ziekenverzorger, google translated this as nurse too. I think caregiver is a better translation). Caregivers have less medical knowledge and help the patient to shower, make the bed etc. We have a shortage of caregivers with a diploma especially in homes for elderly who are not in hospital but in a nursing home bc they are far too needy to be able to live independently.

So our government allows helping hands for simple tasks under supervision. If someone has worked as a caregiver under supervision for several years, they don’t get a diploma but a certificate and can work without supervision for regular tasks with such a certificate. Because of the large number of mistakes the nurses and doctors got suspicious. And thats how the police got involved.

Thanks for explaining in more detail. I understand now.