Moving Forward- Breeding for Resistance to Marek's Disease

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@rebrascora, how right you are.

I am in the position where due to our location I face dealing with a heavy parasite load. The previous owners of our hobby farm were Amish and strictly against using a parasite prevention schedule on their livestock. We know for a fact that he had close to 10,000 dollars worth of livestock deaths , more than likely due to parasites. We know for certain that his sheep were heavily infested with coccidia and other parasites due to the fact that we had sheep that we had gotten from him, one died and was necropsyed and the vet told me personally what had killed it. Fatal parasite load.

Our dogs are also bothered by parasites and have to be treated for tape worms regularly. They only had this problem start when we moved here.

I have noticed loose stools in my birds which stop after treatment for coccidia. They also begin to fatten up after worming. I've never had a float test done but I've gathered the equipment needed to do my own and will probably give it a try just out of curiosity.

I would say you are pretty darned lucky if you have never had to treat for worms.

As for stress caused by medications, yep. For every action there is an equal reaction. I'm a retired nurse so yep, been there, studied that. I'm on the other side of the fence where I agree with the poster who said that they treat aggressively any infection or infestation that happens in their Marek's exposed flock. I also treat aggressively with probiotics and vitamins and give the birds extra protein regularly.

I seriously agree that what works well for one person may not work for the other. If I lived in an area that wasn't known for possessing a heavy load of parasites I would probably embrace the route you are traveling. Unfortunately, in our part of Missouri, everything stings, bites, gives you a rash or gives you the worms. LOL.

@Hamiam Good news that your hen is improving. I would still keep a close eye on them.

@chickengr My first birds to die never showed symptoms of Marek's Disease. One died of an infection that never responded to treatment. One died of seizures and two died of heart problems. They were all four exposed to Marek's disease. Chickens can survive the initial infection of Marek's but the infection leaves them with a damaged immune system that will make them susceptible to future infections, internal tumors and parasite infestations. The tumors can occure anywhere from heart to brain to everywhere from one end to the other. It can cause the 'grey eye' that you see in your rooster. I urge you to read Nambroth's excellent thread. It will answer all your questions and then some.

The Great Big Giant Marek's Disease FAQ Thread.

 
@rebrascora, how right you are.

I am in the position where due to our location I face dealing with a heavy parasite load. The previous owners of our hobby farm were Amish and strictly against using a parasite prevention schedule on their livestock. We know for a fact that he had close to 10,000 dollars worth of livestock deaths , more than likely due to parasites. We know for certain that his sheep were heavily infested with coccidia and other parasites due to the fact that we had sheep that we had gotten from him, one died and was necropsyed and the vet told me personally what had killed it. Fatal parasite load.

Our dogs are also bothered by parasites and have to be treated for tape worms regularly. They only had this problem start when we moved here.

I have noticed loose stools in my birds which stop after treatment for coccidia. They also begin to fatten up after worming. I've never had a float test done but I've gathered the equipment needed to do my own and will probably give it a try just out of curiosity.

I would say you are pretty darned lucky if you have never had to treat for worms.

As for stress caused by medications, yep. For every action there is an equal reaction. I'm a retired nurse so yep, been there, studied that. I'm on the other side of the fence where I agree with the poster who said that they treat aggressively any infection or infestation that happens in their Marek's exposed flock. I also treat aggressively with probiotics and vitamins and give the birds extra protein regularly.

I seriously agree that what works well for one person may not work for the other. If I lived in an area that wasn't known for possessing a heavy load of parasites I would probably embrace the route you are traveling. Unfortunately, in our part of Missouri, everything stings, bites, gives you a rash or gives you the worms. LOL.

@Hamiam Good news that your hen is improving. I would still keep a close eye on them.

@chickengr My first birds to die never showed symptoms of Marek's Disease. One died of an infection that never responded to treatment. One died of seizures and two died of heart problems. They were all four exposed to Marek's disease. Chickens can survive the initial infection of Marek's but the infection leaves them with a damaged immune system that will make them susceptible to future infections, internal tumors and parasite infestations. The tumors can occure anywhere from heart to brain to everywhere from one end to the other. It can cause the 'grey eye' that you see in your rooster. I urge you to read Nambroth's excellent thread. It will answer all your questions and then some.

The Great Big Giant Marek's Disease FAQ Thread.

thanks.

how can I disinfect chicken's run?
 
thanks.

how can I disinfect chicken's run?
That is going to be hard to do as the Herpes virus responsible for Marek's disease can live in the soil for years.

You can thoroughly clean your coop using Oxine , but as the virus is transmitted through chicken dander you have. to be careful to get every speck of dander out of your coop.

I've read that for the soil, you can scrape the first 6 inches off of the topsoil and discarding it.

You have to remember tho that even if you manage to remove the virus from your run and property (remember, Marek's is airborne) you stand the chance of being reinfected if the virus is being carried in by the wind from another location. And the virus can travel up to 5 miles.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/help-mareks-disease.752961/page-11

Will answer all your questions about sanitizing your run from Marek's. It's going to be hard, if not impossible to do as the virus is going to be shed from birds remaining on your property or from an outside source.

The Genie is out of the bottle and it's impossible to get it back in again.
 
That is going to be hard to do as the Herpes virus responsible for Marek's disease can live in the soil for years.

You can thoroughly clean your coop using Oxine , but as the virus is transmitted through chicken dander you have. to be careful to get every speck of dander out of your coop.

I've read that for the soil, you can scrape the first 6 inches off of the topsoil and discarding it.

You have to remember tho that even if you manage to remove the virus from your run and property (remember, Marek's is airborne) you stand the chance of being reinfected if the virus is being carried in by the wind from another location. And the virus can travel up to 5 miles.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/help-mareks-disease.752961/page-11

Will answer all your questions about sanitizing your run from Marek's. It's going to be hard, if not impossible to do as the virus is going to be shed from birds remaining on your property or from an outside source.

The Genie is out of the bottle and it's impossible to get it back in again.

thanks for the information. unfortunately there are too many chickens and wild birds around.

I use white wash in the coops but my chickens only sleep there. they are in their runs all day long. we have too many sparrows that visit all the chickens in the area.

I guess breeding for resistance is the only solution. already started it without knowing it. I hatched 5 chicks from this roo. 1 is a runt, 1 died yesterday (caught cold with 2 days of t-storms), 1 had a runny eye (might have been from pecking) and 2 healthy ones so far.

I just don't understand why the other birds didn't get marek's at the same time - not that I regret, just wonder. I have had almost 50 chickens and besides this roo there are 2-3 hens that might have had marek's, but I am not sure.
 
Well, your other birds probably did get infected at the same time and have either fought off the effects of the initial infection due to resistant genes or they are resistant to the infection but are now carriers.

I'm continuing to hatch out from my own birds. I do have a source for bantam eggs, but I do it with the knowledge that no matter what I hatch it will be exposed the moment it pops into this world.

I'm planning to bring Egyptian Fayoumi chickens into my flock next spring. Fayoumis are known to be Marek's Disease resistant. They normally are also resistant to other infections and parasites that plague chickens.
 
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Well, your other birds probably did get infected at the same time and have either fought off the effects of the initial infection due to resistant genes or they are resistant to the infection but are now carriers.

I'm continuing to hatch out from my own birds. I do have a source for bantam eggs, but I do it with the knowledge that no matter what I hatch it will be exposed the moment it pops into this world.

I'm planning to bring Egyptian Fayoumi chickens into my flock next spring. Fayoumis are known to be Marek's Disease resistant. They normally are also resistant to other infections and parasites that plague chickens.

I give them garlic, cayenne pepper and different herbs and spices which are good for fighting viruses. maybe that helped.

is there any chance to repair the roo's eye? do you know what exactly happened so his eye changed colour? what has been damaged?
 
Unfortunately no, there isn't. I wish there was. My favorite roo has an eye just like your roosters does. I also have two hens with similar eyes and my husband is a retired eye doctor. If there was something that could be done he would know what it is. It is an inflammatory condition that cannot be reversed in a chicken. From what I have read the damage to the eye will eventually lead to blindness. From what I can see my affected birds do have decreased vision in their eyes but still do have some degree of vision.

Please understand. There is no cure for Marek's disease. We can do our best to improve our infected and exposed birds quality of life and enjoy them for whatever time they have with us. I have shed many tears while holding a loved rooster while he takes his last breaths and I have done the merciful thing and ended another's suffering when it could no longer draw a breath and was blue from lack of oxygen. Marek's is a killer without a conscience and unfortunately the best we can do is all we can do and while we are struggling to do the best we can, we pray for a cure and a working vaccine.
 
Unfortunately no, there isn't. I wish there was. My favorite roo has an eye just like your roosters does. I also have two hens with similar eyes and my husband is a retired eye doctor. If there was something that could be done he would know what it is. It is an inflammatory condition that cannot be reversed in a chicken. From what I have read the damage to the eye will eventually lead to blindness. From what I can see my affected birds do have decreased vision in their eyes but still do have some degree of vision.

Please understand. There is no cure for Marek's disease. We can do our best to improve our infected and exposed birds quality of life and enjoy them for whatever time they have with us. I have shed many tears while holding a loved rooster while he takes his last breaths and I have done the merciful thing and ended another's suffering when it could no longer draw a breath and was blue from lack of oxygen. Marek's is a killer without a conscience and unfortunately the best we can do is all we can do and while we are struggling to do the best we can, we pray for a cure and a working vaccine.

thanks.

my roo still have a good vision. he is 1 yo.

I can accept there is no cure for mareks but I will never give up on searching and trying to fix it.

there is no cure for bacterial/fungal wilt on tomato plants too and I had nothing to loose when I chopped sage and put it around the plants. in 7-10 days wilt was totally gone. of course I first cut the infected leaves. now I have nice green tomato plants.

but I knew sage cure bacterial and fungal infections in humans.

I also know garlic cures herpes zoster in humans. I had shingles and when 3 tubes of cream didn't help I minced garlic and put it. it was an instant relief. within a week I was fine. next year at the same time (august) shingles started to appear again. I put garlic and it tried to come out next to the patch covered by garlic. this battle lasted 3 days only and the winner is garlic, of course.

is there any cure for human's eye? can you please ask your husband what exactly is damaged so the iris changes colour?
 
I have shingles also, What you did does not cure shingles. The herpes virus that causes shingles in humans, like the virus that is specific to chickens simply goes into dormancy and attaches itself to the nerve roots and awaits a chance to resurface. If you are lucky, it never does, but it's still there.

This is a repeat of what was posted earlier about the ocular infiltrates that occurs in MD that is taken from Wikipedia:

Once again, I urge you to read the Marek's out ease Fac Thread and Wikipedia concerning Marek's Disease and educate yourself as we all have about this horrible disease.
 
I have shingles also, What you did does not cure shingles. The herpes virus that causes shingles in humans, like the virus that is specific to chickens simply goes into dormancy and attaches itself to the nerve roots and awaits a chance to resurface. If you are lucky, it never does, but it's still there.

This is a repeat of what was posted earlier about the ocular infiltrates that occurs in MD that is taken from Wikipedia:

Once again, I urge you to read the Marek's out ease Fac Thread and Wikipedia concerning Marek's Disease and educate yourself as we all have about this horrible disease.

thanks a lot.

I know I didn't cure shingles but it is such relief to know how to stop it. I was in horrible pain for more than 2 weeks before I remembered garlic.
 

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