muscovy - silver/lavendar?

[AquaEyes]

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I don't know for a fact that it doesn't exist (it's hard to prove the non-existence of something), but I'm basing this on what Ian says. If chocolate appeared as a mutation after the import/export ban in Australia, it's possible it just never got there. If it appeared earlier, it's possible that birds with the mutation either never got there, or got there in small numbers and died out without carrying on the trait. I don't know, but Ian would know better.

If it's not sepia, and it's not chocolate, is it possible that the brownish tinges are just the residual brownish areas that appear on wild-type blacks (as opposed to dusky-blacks) after most of the black has been diluted by both Lavender and Silver?

 

[AquaEyes]

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Hmmmm.....interesting....the mystery continues....oh, and btw, I'm loving these threads! Thanks to all.

 

[ian4379]

first of all i never said it was sepia, i was suggesting a possible lavendar and sepia combination at the same time. she does at least carry the sepia gene, indicated by the sepia coloured ring around the eye and the bronze tinting in the feathers. multiple dilutions make the birds lighter in colour. silver/lavendar is another guess, or even harder to do, silver/lavendar/sepia all in one.

she's in a pen with a bronze drake not carrying the lavendar gene, so if any blues come out we'll know if silver is involved. i'll let you know in 3 months or so!

there just isnst a chocloate gene in australia. maybe a chocolate bird was never introduced here or maybe they were and were bred out? they certainly cant fly over here. there is a possibililty that someone has the gene and doesnt know it, this would be unlikely though with the introduction of the interenet connecting people.

 

[iajewel]

Bronze and Lavander makes perfect sense with me.

 

[Bleenie]

Here is Silver vs. Self Blue

Silver:

Self Blue(Lav.):

I am going to start an odd-colored Muscovy Thread, I have a couple weird ones too

 

[rollyard]

Why are Bronze & Sepia (faiogeno) necessarily result of different factors? In Australia my understanding has been that they are one & the same (Bronze is hobbyname), although I realise that this is not necessarily so? What research/information to support differences? It can take only one additional factor to alter outcomes in birds otherwise genetically the same!

 

[iajewel]

Self blue and silver is the exact same thing.. no difference just the name people give the color. As for Bronze and Sepia, they are not in any way the same. Sepia changes the pigment of the skin, bronze changes the color of the feathers and they are 2 very different colors.

 

[rollyard]

No, self-blue & silver are not [genetically] the same; self-blue is homozygous for auto recessive lavender (l/l), & silver is homozygous for auto incomplete dominant blue (N/N)! Sepia does change the colour of the feather in adult plumage from black to sepia or brown [Example] & is reported to express quite variably, while other factors can & do influence dermal/epidermal (& feather) colour.

Any references, photos, breeding outcomes that may support genetic differences?

 

[Bleenie]

correct! besides the genetics they are very obviously different colors when you look at them.

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[iajewel]

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The man helping me with my birds worked for Dr Hollander for over 20yrs. When I ask him, he told me they were. I take his word for it. Its all in a name. With people that show "self" means solid, not dominate, however Silver is blue with a double dilute. Again.. Im listening to my friend.. you think what you want and we will agree to disagree.