My $60 dollar colt -May walk away from this opinions PLS!!

[rodriguezpoultry]

welsummer, I love you.

I would never, in a million years, look at that horse a second time. He will not do well in a show circuit, maybe with showmanship if you work very hard, but unless a miracle happens, the back will throw him out of conformation classes. His leg may completely throw him out of any working classes as well.

There are several other horses out there that need homes that are perfectly usable AND good prospects for resale once trained.

I'm sorry, like welsummer, I'm feeling pretty blunt today.

 

[EweSheep]

Wels, you hit the nail on the head!

I looked at his sire and looked at the colt.........back of my head was saying, what the heck are they breeding???????!!!!!!!!

 

[welsummerchicks]

'welsummer, i love you'.

Well i love you too, LOL, but also have very warm and cuddly feelings toward the OP and don't want her to get into a fix.

I still just cannot agree with you there re - mare and stallion/what were they thinking. There are plenty of animals that have backs that long and loins that long, and mammas and pappas that look like that, and they still don't have that badly dropped of a back at two years old. This is a skeletal deformity.

And I believe this can happen to horses with short, well conformed backs too. There are genes being suggested as carrying the growth pattern of the vertebrae, and determining if the bones will develop properly.

What happens is that sometimes the vertebrae do not develop normally, starting from a very, very young age, the underside of the vertebrae is not normal and allows the spine to take this curved shape. This is very different from a 'soft topline' acquired by the older adult horse.

The nerves of the spinal cord may not be compressed, but the projections on the upper side of the vertebrae can press against each other, and saddle fit is problematic because it is not possible to spread out the pressure on that sort of back.


On that horse's back I would expect the bones to do that without even the weight of a rider, once the animal reaches mature weight.

A horse that you buy for resale has to be chosen very, very carefully. It has GOT to be a horse people will buy. Otherwise, you ain't never gonna sell it.

 

[EweSheep]

Had a TN/Arab mare that had a back like that. She could carry her weight with no problems however, as she got older, her back would get lower and lower. She was from heavy Fa-Serr lines. Never bred her, thank God!

 

[WIChookchick]

First of all, focusing on the stallion's record vis a vis how it will make this colt more marketable, is totally and completely beside the point. There are thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of Arabian stallions at stud like him. The owner isn't any more irresponsible than any of a number of other breeders. They either know their stallion is inferior or they don't, be that as it may, the thing is procreating.

I WAS NOT going on the sire's record, I personally think he should have been gelded, and only hoped to resell this colt to a 4H home, or a driving home.
I thought he might do well in showmanship, or as a driving horse. Perhaps as a kids horse, down the road.
The lady who is standing him at her barn, is NOT the owner.. But again she has alot of broodmares, and I don't think she has ever ridden this stallion.


I am going to pass on this guy.
In our area I can find free or cheap horses pretty much all the time. Sad to be able to say that.
Thanks for the information, and I value your opinions.
Carol​

 

[Baybrio]

WIChookchick, Keep your eye on the Rockford, IL Craigslist if you are looking for a project. I've seen free horses and a huge number of horses that are under $500 that look to be kind of nice. Especially the young ones.

However, keep in mind if these folks are practically giving away their horses the chances of anyone working with them and making a profit quickly are not great. Hopefully the economy will improve and the horse market will pick up.

But even better, see if someone will pay you to work with their horse!

 

[welsummerchicks]

On that point, I wasn't really directing that comment at you, but I thought others were getting off the track in talking about the stallion.

I don't suggest buying cheap horses for turnaround sales in this market at all. If you see something you want to keep for a year or two and train and then try to sell, fine, but otherwise, boy I don't think it's a good idea.

 

[michickenwrangler]

WC

If the breeders were lying or exaggerating the stallion's accomplishments, what else were they lying/exaggerating?

That was the point that EweSheep and I were going at, that the breeder was being deceitful.

 

[welsummerchicks]

There is a fair amount of baloney that gets said in selling horses (not by me, I tell them everything and then say, 'this is what it is'). The buyer is the one who has to verify what was said and whether the horse is suitable, sound, safe, etc. Absolutely, look claimed show wins on USEF.org, and assume anything that is not verifiable is a complete and total lie.

LOL. Once I went to look at a horse with a friend and when we got done she started going over what the seller had said, asking me if I remembered various points. I just kept saying, 'nope, nope, nope, nope'.

The seller is not working your side.

You are working your side.

You have to remember, when you are writing a check, you have no friends.

 

[WIChookchick]

True that.
Our current horses are ones that we would NEVER sell. And when I have sold a horse, I have been so honest about them, that people don't feel they need to try the horse out.
I have had to "force" them to try the horse.
I sold a mare I had many years ago, and they showed up with a horse trailer, and handed me the cash. I asked, "don't you want to try her out?"..."oh yeah"...
Well they did and loved her.
I feel I have to be honest. I have to look at myself in the mirror and actually like myself.

Carol