My first Chicken Coop and I have a few questions....???

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So instead of tearing down my kids old playhouse/swing set we decided to transform it into a chicken coop! But I have a few questions before we go any further.....
1- can i leave the sandbox under the house or should I fill it with dirt?
2- should i put roosting poles outside the house as well as inside?
3- where does food and water go? inside or out?
4-i know i put pine chips in the house but do i put anything on the floor of the outside part?

any suggestions or tips with this coop would be greatly appreciated!! this is our first go with chickens:-)
thank you!!
 
In answer to your questions:
1--I would put 1/2 hardware cloth over the bottom of the entire coop to prevent any predators from digging into the coop. Then put a layer of fine pea gravel or dirt over the hardward cloth. You can make an inexpensive wood or plastic skirt to hold the gravel or dirt in. I would not use fine sand like playground or beach sand as it has been known to impact a chicken's crop.
2--Assuming that you are not going to overcrowd the coop, I would not put roosting poles outside of the house. You want to encourage the chickens to go into the house at night or in bad weather.
3--You can put the food and water either place, but if you put the food outside, make sure that it is situated where rain or snow can't get it wet.
4--See my answer to question 1.
Hope this helps.
 
I would just like to add that perches in the run provide great entertainment and don't affect my flock going inside to roost, so I'm glad my husband put them in. My rooster gets on one in the corner and has a crowing contest with a roo on the next hill every morning. Lol
 
I would fill the sandbox with dirt. What an excellent ready made place for dustbaths!
I keep water inside and out, dry feed free choice outside and their meals outside in the morning, inside if I'm late or during bad weather in the evening.
 
In answer to your questions:
1--I would put 1/2 hardware cloth over the bottom of the entire coop to prevent any predators from digging into the coop. Then put a layer of fine pea gravel or dirt over the hardward cloth. You can make an inexpensive wood or plastic skirt to hold the gravel or dirt in. I would not use fine sand like playground or beach sand as it has been known to impact a chicken's crop.
2--Assuming that you are not going to overcrowd the coop, I would not put roosting poles outside of the house. You want to encourage the chickens to go into the house at night or in bad weather.
3--You can put the food and water either place, but if you put the food outside, make sure that it is situated where rain or snow can't get it wet.
4--See my answer to question 1.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the tips! Today my husband put a type of chicken wire with holes about 1" x 1 1/2" and he made it a continuos loop so nothing can dig to get to them. Im just wondering if the holes are too big? The sand in there is play sand from when my kids used it. I assume they can go all night without food and water, they are 7 weeks? Sorry so many questions this is our first time
 
I would fill the sandbox with dirt. What an excellent ready made place for dustbaths!
I keep water inside and out, dry feed free choice outside and their meals outside in the morning, inside if I'm late or during bad weather in the evening.
you would fill the sandbox with dirt? i guess they can't dustbath in sand? sorry I'm a total newbie
 
So instead of tearing down my kids old playhouse/swing set we decided to transform it into a chicken coop! But I have a few questions before we go any further..... 1- can i leave the sandbox under the house or should I fill it with dirt? 2- should i put roosting poles outside the house as well as inside? 3- where does food and water go? inside or out? 4-i know i put pine chips in the house but do i put anything on the floor of the outside part? any suggestions or tips with this coop would be greatly appreciated!! this is our first go with chickens:-) thank you!!
1. Fill it with dirt, Lisa Steele has a great article on the argument against sand, if I can find it again I will post a link. 2. That is up to you but my chickens throughly enjoy the outdoor poles, though they don't roost on them. 3. I live in a rather bizarre climate (Michigan) -30 to 70 in the winter, 32-115 in the summer. And I have mine in both, my coop is elevated and I have trough feeders and waterers under there, in the coop itself I have bell waterers and feeders. But it is up to you and your budget 4. The floor of my run is grass but the fence along the edge goes 2 feet under ground Hope that helps!
 
Some people use sand for litter but I hear it has its disadvantages. One person suggested a quarter each dirt, sand, fly ash a DE (food grade) for dust baths. I couldn't get all that so I used dirt with some DE mixed in. They'll bath in whatever they find. I don't know if pure sand is preferable or if it serves the same purpose for them.
 
Here is the Lisa Steele article (Most of it):

When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Latest case in point: using sand in your coop, run or chick brooder. Recently I've been watching other bloggers praise the benefits of sand - how easy it is to keep clean, how much the chickens love it, etc. but I quickly discounted it because wild poultry don't choose to live at the beach. They're not seagulls after all! Just going with common sense and logical thinking, using sand in chicken keeping didn't make any sense to me.


But as more and more readers started asking my opinion on sand, trusting me to provide accurate, solid advice based on what's best for their chickens, I decided it was time to do some research. So I spoke with a long-time (30 years+) chicken keeper from a long line of chicken farmers, our vet (who not only treats but also raises chickens), and an herbalist who is also chicken keeper.

I also read a few scientific studies, reread a book or two by chicken guru Gail Damerow and listened to a very informative podcast by Dr. Peter Brown on The Chicken Whisperer's show. It turns out that my initial instinct was correct. The REAL scoop on sand is - DON'T USE IT.

While proponents of sand cite benefits such as 'it looks better', 'it's inexpensive' and 'it's easy', I don't consider ANY of those to be valid reasons to chose to use something with our animals or not.

A long time chicken keeper shared his thoughts with me that sand has NO insulating properties like straw or shavings, so in the winter will provide no help in keeping your coop warm, unlike straw which is a wonderful insulation material. Additionally, wet sand will freeze in the winter and be like hopping off the roost onto cement pavement - in fact we've heard from two readers who ended up with chickens with broken legs from doing just that.

Sure, having a truckload of sand delivered and spread in your coop sounds great. It sounds pretty much maintenance-free, other than requiring a raking out from time to time of the area under the roost mostly.

But sand retains all sorts of pathogens, and if you just periodically remove the visibly soiled portions, you're leaving a virtual breeding ground inside your coop that you can't see. When I change out the litter in our coop, I change it ALL out. Down to the floor boards. Sure, it's not my most favorite job, but it's necessary in my opinion for a healthy flock. Raising chickens isn't about what's easiest for US, but what's best for THEM.

Another important consideration, unlike straw or shavings, sand doesn't compost. So when you eventually DO need to change it out, what do you do with it? I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want a toxic pile of E.coli-laden sand piling up in my backyard where children, cats or dogs could pick up all kinds of nasty stuff from playing in it!

We use straw in our coop, which composts wonderfully. Since we use the deep litter method throughout the winter, by spring we are left with a coop full of beautifully composted 'soil', most of which is ready for our spring garden. The rest of the year, the straw goes into our compost pile to finish decomposing until spring.

in summary, sand is a bad choice for your chickens' environment for many reasons, which include:


harbors E.coli
allows coccidiosis to run rampant or in some cases eradicates it completely (both extremes are harmful)
dust can lead to respiratory/breathing problems
can lead to impacted crops
real possibility of 'breaded' feces being eaten by your flock
hot in the summer
no insulating factors in the winter
not 'green', i.e. not compostable

In our opinion, as well as that of experts we trust, the scoop on sand is ... steer clear. Far better choices for your chicken keeping are: Brooder - pine shavings, Run - dirt, Coop - pine shavings or straw

Source: Fresh-Eggs-Daily.com
 
And I hear DE makes some cough. Of my 7, one seemed to be sensitive so I'm using it sparingly.
 

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