My Flaming Red Orpington Roo - New Photos pg 11

[MissPrissy]

According to Tim to exploit the Red in him black would hide his color. I don't want more blacks or blues. The only way to Red is with buff. It is his buff mother that the Red came from.

 

[DrakeMaiden]

I understand that the red color originated from the buff coloring.

I just wonder if the red INTENSITY is coming from the blue background.

Is there a definitive answer on that?

I fear you will spend a lot of effort trying to get back to that red intensity that you like. I think it comes from a specific genetic combination of buff and blue, so if you breed too far out on one end (say the buff end), you will lose some of what it is that you are looking for. The same, of course, would be true if you only bred him on the blue end.

You are right that it might muddy the waters to breed him with some blue hens. I guess I was trying too hard to be scientific about this. I would like to know what those offspring would look like and what percentage would possibly carry some red coloration. Maybe none, but what if they were crossed with the buff offspring? Then what? While you are at it, might as well start a hatchery!

Based upon what information was presented about his paternal genetics, I would imagine that the simplest and most controlled way to isolate his coloration would be to cross buff with blue enough times to have more than one result like him and then interbreed those. If he is a rare genetic combination then you would probably need a huge population to find enough similar birds, and even then I don't know if they would breed true 100%.

Of course, maybe you could look into cloning. . . it may end up saving you some money.

 

[MissPrissy]

We should start seeing his color in the next generation of chicks. Once these pullets get to laying age they will go in with him and I'll hatch their eggs. It could also take 3 - 4 generations to repeat his color but it will happen as long as he can fertilize eggs.

Since he is black and red he doesn't have a blue gene.

He is one of those chicks from a blue roo that did not inherit a blue gene. He has a black gene from his father and the buff from his mother.

 

[DrakeMaiden]

So is black a different color or a different intensity of blue?

 

[Parson's Wife]

Wow! Just saw this thread...he is a beaut!
I really like that dark red w/ the green on his tail feathers.
Sharp dressed roo!

 

[MissPrissy]

It is a color cr @p shoot LOL

Blue is a diluted black gene.

You can get

black w/ 0 blue genes
blue w/ 1 blue gene
splash w/ 2 blue genes

If he were blue he would be a dull dark color at best.

He is black with a rich green sheen in those feathers.

He did not get a blue gene from his sire.

He is a genetic combo of black and buff.

Black would be the least desirable color to breed him to.

 

[DrakeMaiden]

Interesting. You'll have to explain to me what splash is . . . is it spotted? I'm such a duckophile.

I'm guessing the gene controlling his bright plumage is different from the gene controlling his color (red), which is promising. But I don't know if he has 2 copies of that or just 1. My guess would be 1, unless his momma was a really intense buff.

 

[MissPrissy]

This is one of my splash roosters

 

[Fudgie]

wow MissPrissy! I have 3 that look just like those! Now I know what they are!!!!

 

[DrakeMaiden]

He's pretty cute for a cr@p shoot!

Reminds me of a calico or tortiseshell pattern in a cat . . . is his belly considered white or blue?

I guess I should start learning about chicken genetics.

Any ideas about your roos green tail . . . where did he get that from?