My heart breaks

[kathyinmo]

Man that is really sad sounding, kathyinmo. Terrified of things that aren't even there... how do you even help in that situation? I had a schizophrenic friend that only developed symptoms around age 20, I haven't seen much of them since. It's not that I'm nervous by them or anything they are just ill and do their own thing, hard to keep in contact. Most people know chickened's comments were very incorrect and mental illness is not treated with money or room and board. He is a bit callous to things he doesn't understand so it's somewhat of a broad spectrum. Please don't feel you are causing problems here, your posts are very informational.

I am getting too personal. I deleted a post.

Schizophrenia is usually diagnosed at age 18 - 25. Many are very intelligent people, often just entering their college years. It is a very sad disease, and much misunderstood.........

I wanted to show you a picture of what a schizophrenic sees, and I found the picture. It is in this blog...

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[KristyHall]

I am getting too personal. I deleted a post.

Schizophrenia is usually diagnosed at age 18 - 25. Many are very intelligent people, often just entering their college years. It is a very sad disease, and much misunderstood.........

I wanted to show you a picture of what a schizophrenic sees, and I found the picture. It is in this blog...

very informative, thank you

 

[chickened]

Did you watch the entire 33 minutes? You saw a man resisting arrest? Really? Where did that start?

Ohhhhhhhhh, you are soooooooo wrong about this. I speak from experience. Not only am I a psych nurse, I also have a 37 year old schizophrenic son. He has rights. One of those rights is to refuse treatment, refuse to take his meds, and refuse help. He also has the right to be homeless. Sometimes, when he is sooooooo sick, we have to go to court and get him court ordered help. That is only a temporary fix. You see, when he is "well," and taking his meds, he is then free to do what he wants to again. It is endless ............ Ohhhh, I could go on and on..... but I will spare you.

Not every schizophrenic has family willing to do what we do. If you don't live with it, you really have no idea..... other than what you can imagine. The pain and fear I live with; I can not even describe it in just a few words. When I saw that entire 33 minute video, I was sick to my stomach and sick in my heart. I could see my son there. I have seen him look exactly as Kelly looked.... the disheveled look with long hair, unshaven, etc....

Ohhhh, I need to ban myself from this thread......

I actually do have a little experience with schizophrenia. I have a niece that was diagnosed with it. After about 10 years of treatment and well meaning people helping her (self included bailing her out of jail) she finally ended up spending 3 year in the joint and that was the bottom for her and she is now doing fine, no meds, no counseling and no arrests.

Kathy it does not have to be endless... people need to be at the bottom before they look up and keeping them from getting there is not as helpful as it seems. Treatment begins with admitting you have a problem.

 

[chickened]

Cupman, you need to put your big boy pants on... not everyone will sugarcoat it for you.

Man that is really sad sounding, kathyinmo. Terrified of things that aren't even there... how do you even help in that situation? I had a schizophrenic friend that only developed symptoms around age 20, I haven't seen much of them since. It's not that I'm nervous by them or anything they are just ill and do their own thing, hard to keep in contact. Most people know chickened's comments were very incorrect and mental illness is not treated with money or room and board. He is a bit callous to things he doesn't understand so it's somewhat of a broad spectrum. Please don't feel you are causing problems here, your posts are very informational.

 

[chickened]

Kathy, it is not you who should ban themself from this thread.

Sourland, would not suggesting someone being banned for an opinion be the same intolerance as the reason those cops felt to justify their behavior towards someone who disagreed with them?

 

[kathyinmo]

I actually do have a little experience with schizophrenia. I have a niece that was diagnosed with it. After about 10 years of treatment and well meaning people helping her (self included bailing her out of jail) she finally ended up spending 3 year in the joint and that was the bottom for her and she is now doing fine, no meds, no counseling and no arrests.

Kathy it does not have to be endless... people need to be at the bottom before they look up and keeping them from getting there is not as helpful as it seems. Treatment begins with admitting you have a problem.

hahahaha......
"Treatment begins with admitting you have a problem."


If you think going to jail (hitting bottom) and NO MEDS, NO COUNSELING = a schizophrenic doing fine>>>You are deluding yourself. Obviously, your niece was misdiagnosed as a schizophrenic, or you misunderstood. Ummmm, maybe "schizoaffective disorder?"

Alot of people confuse "psychosis," with schizophrenia. A person can be "psychotic," without being a schizophrenic. This is most often temporary (such as in drug use-abuse cases), sleep-deprived psychosis, etc..........



Psychosis is a psychiatric condition that causes a person to lose his or her sense of reality. People with psychosis have hallucinations, delusions, or disorganized thinking that cause them to lose touch with reality. Someone who is psychotic may hear voices that no one else can hear, or perceive threats that are not real. Psychosis can be very disturbing when it happens to someone you know and care about. The person might not acknowledge that anything is wrong, and may resist efforts to help.
Causes

An array of medical and psychiatric problems can cause psychosis. Psychosis can result from a variety of psychiatric and medical problems. When psychosis stems from a mental illness, it is best handled by a psychiatrist. However, a family doctor or neurologist can manage cases of psychosis that are triggered by an underlying medical problem.

Drug and alcohol use and withdrawal have been linked to psychotic episodes. Symptoms that are drug— or alcohol—induced sometimes fade after the intoxicating effect of the substance has worn off.

Physical illnesses that interfere with brain function may cause psychosis as well. Psychosis is associated with infections, brain tumors, metabolic abnormalities, nutritional deficiencies, and dementia.

Psychiatric illnesses, most commonly schizophrenia, frequently lead to psychosis. Delusional disorder, marked by unshakable false beliefs, is another psychotic condition. Psychosis sometimes accompanies affective disorders such as depression and bipolar disorder (manic depression). In such cases, the symptoms tend to conform to the patient’s mood. For example, depressed patients may hear voices telling them to end their life. Bipolar patients in the throes of the illness’s extreme highs may believe they can fly or perform other superhuman feats.

Finally, a stressful event — such as witnessing a violent act or being sexually abused — can produce psychotic symptoms

Some causes of psychosis.........
Cause Comments
Drugs and alcohol The use or withdrawal of drugs and alcohol can cause intense visual hallucinations and confusion. Symptoms usually come on suddenly and may disappear once the intoxicating effect of the substance has worn off.
Physical illness AIDS, encephalitis, brain tumors, dementia, metabolic problems, and nutritional deficiencies sometimes bring on visual hallucinations and fragmented delusions.
Schizophrenic disorders Schizophrenia (psychotic behavior that lasts for at least 6 months) and schizophreniform disorder (psychotic behavior that lasts for less than 6 months) typically cause auditory hallucinations. Delusions tend to be well?formed and may be elaborate. The ability to socialize and function typically becomes impaired.
Affective disorders Bipolar disorder and depression can have psychotic manifestations that reflect the patient?s mood: delusions of grandeur during mania and delusions of worthlessness during depression.
Paranoid states Delusional disorders might make people who are otherwise mentally sound have false beliefs that are paranoid in nature. For example, patients may believe the FBI is watching them or that someone is out to get them.
Reaction to severe stress Psychotic symptoms sometimes arise after a major life stress, such as a pregnancy or a death in the family. Postpartum psychosis usually occurs a month after giving birth. Being subjected to violence also can trigger psychosis.

 

[CochinBrahmaLover]

Too sad


I read the entire thread, true I am too young to understand it all, but I know what schizophrenia is, and what legaslation and pretty much 90% of what y'all are talking about (Thank you Mr. Harper! )




Nothing can justify what the cops did. Nothing. Many have stated 'Just 2 cops could have taken care of him, if not 1' (okay not exact words but still) and yes, true. I didn't watch the 33 minute video nor am I going to, but even if this man Was resisting, he was pinned. I watched the like 30 sec video, and he was pinned. He could be kicking and thrashing, 2 cops alone could have delt with that. Hog-tie, cuff him, do what ever. He was PINNED, and yelling 'Help, I'm Sorry' sure, he could be resisiting. But does it sound like hes resisiting? No. Nothing can justify what these cops did, and if you don't agree, well then, we won't agree. Nothing you can say will make me think otherwise. A GROWN man literally yelled
"Daddy Help! They're killing me!" And they keep beating him, sit on him, and kill him? Disgusting


Thats all I have to say, all I am going to say, and I will stalk this thread to see what happens

 

[RHRanch]

If you watch the video, you can see that Kelly had problems in all these areas:

Cognitive symptoms are the most subtle of the three types of symptoms. They make it difficult to lead a normal, functioning life including holding employment causing significant emotional distress. Like negative symptoms, cognitive symptoms are often difficult to recognize as part of the disorder. Often, they are detected only when other tests are performed. Cognitive symptoms include the following:

• Poor "executive functioning" (the ability to understand information and use it to make decisions)
• Trouble focusing or paying attention
• Problems with "working memory" (the ability to use information immediately after learning it).

And to me it is obvious that those cops either didn't recognize Kellys cognitive problems or didn't care and they got angry and that lead to the beating.

 

[RHRanch]

I actually do have a little experience with schizophrenia. I have a niece that was diagnosed with it. After about 10 years of treatment and well meaning people helping her (self included bailing her out of jail) she finally ended up spending 3 year in the joint and that was the bottom for her and she is now doing fine, no meds, no counseling and no arrests.

Kathy it does not have to be endless... people need to be at the bottom before they look up and keeping them from getting there is not as helpful as it seems. Treatment begins with admitting you have a problem.

You sure this wasnt a drug problem? Cause that's what you are describing. Mental illness is not a choice and people who are mentally ill cannot make rational choices most of the time. You do realize that recovery from scizophrenia (at least in the US) is very, very rare?

 

[CochinBrahmaLover]

I actually do have a little experience with schizophrenia. I have a niece that was diagnosed with it. After about 10 years of treatment and well meaning people helping her (self included bailing her out of jail) she finally ended up spending 3 year in the joint and that was the bottom for her and she is now doing fine, no meds, no counseling and no arrests.

Kathy it does not have to be endless... people need to be at the bottom before they look up and keeping them from getting there is not as helpful as it seems. Treatment begins with admitting you have a problem.

LOL!!!! Okay, I may not know all about schizophrenia, but I do know that its a MENTAL disease where you can't tell whats real or not. How, in the world, is someone like that going to be able to admit they have a problem? He wasnt addicted to drugs, or smoking, he had a MENTAL disease that affected him so he didn't know if it was okay to get help or not, so he was homeless. Even if he understood how to admit he had a problem, who knew if he would even take the medicine?