oldrooster, I understand how you feel. The thing is, one must rise above those things, since they're the type things you hate being done to you. Am I always a nice person? No. I do try to be. With some people it just takes a whole lot more effort. Those that have proven themselves over time to be unworthy of my efforts, I tend to avoid, or make good excuses to keep my distance from them. Hey, I love my chickens, and grandchildren, so I can't be all bad.