Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[chickengr]

very cool. if possible, love to see pictures of that stock? I had entertained the idea of NN leghorns or Mediterranean type chicken with white eggs.. the closest I came to was getting barbezieux... of course they had to lay tinted eggs, sigh........ Let the blue egg Nn hen breed with the rooster and hatch her own clutch, of course only one pullet and she is not Nn.... nice blue eggs though.

this is my negra. the boy unfortunately had the accident (parson's nose eaten to the bone during shipping) and he has 5 toes (some kind of anomaly) so he has no future. not to mention he was supposed to be she.

 

[Kassaundra]

@Kev there is someone on the FB BYC page that has hatched out dwarf chickens. I tried to tag you in it but it wouldn't tag you.

 

[Kassaundra]

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this is my negra. the boy unfortunately had the accident (parson's nose eaten to the bone during shipping) and he has 5 toes (some kind of anomaly) so he has no future. not to mention he was supposed to be she.

5 toes and that gypsy face I would bet he has some silkie blood mixing around in there.

 

[cactusrota]

Probably not. Bare necks seem to require two things, being pure for the NN gene plus an unknown modifier gene, which seems to be a recessive gene. This modifier gene is not too common in US stock- hence my "probably not" answer. If it is not present, then clean necks will not happen.

If you know the original stock has true clean necks then it is possible to hatch out some, however it will not come about as a direct result of breeding the small bibs to small bibs.

For example.. both parents large bibbed and both having the modifier gene *will* throw a few smooth necks. The only advantage to breeding small bowties is your chances at smooth necks goes up a little higher, if it's present. If not present, you'll get a whole batch of small bowties, including some that might have just one or two feathers on each side or have feathers on only one side(hipster style, maybe?).

It can be tempting to think those examples are proof it's possible to 'breed down' to smooth necks.. fell into that trap myself by starting a project with this goal for one line. Then I got new stock by egg trade that happened to have the modifier gene.. in this line, smooth necks showed up in all sorts of bowtie-bib combinations. None of the outcrosses with other lines produced clean necks.. however it did eventually show up in lines with "their blood" even if it never happened "pre-cross".

Thankyou! That explains alot. Ofcourse, then, with more options means more pulling my hair out because I can't make decisions as it is... Hahaha!!

 

[Kev]

@Kev there is someone on the FB BYC page that has hatched out dwarf chickens. I tried to tag you in it but it wouldn't tag you.

Ooh I want to see! Will try to head over there and see if I can read posts.. thanks for the heads up! btw none of the chicks from the dwarf pullets are dwarfed(CX cross father). Another very strong hint it is something sex linked and recessive. I did notice one cockerel that might be(after you circle 7 times and cross your eyes) showing ever so slight dwarfing- slightly short looking legs. Like his father has.

Put one dwarf with the roo last week, not sure if he can breed her though as she is the smallest(others had gone broody..) so the body proportions could not really be any more different. Should get dwarf cockerels if the idea of him being the source of a recessive sex linked dwarf is a correct one.

 

[Kev]

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this is my negra. the boy unfortunately had the accident (parson's nose eaten to the bone during shipping) and he has 5 toes (some kind of anomaly) so he has no future. not to mention he was supposed to be she.

Thanks! Hate it when feather picking happens. I have a cockerel with no tail as a result of EE chicks with severe chronic case of feather picking... He breeds just fine though.

 

[Kev]

Thankyou! That explains alot. Ofcourse, then, with more options means more pulling my hair out because I can't make decisions as it is... Hahaha!!

Yeah chicken math is hard, ha! Doing hands on exams can really change picks for keepers or cull.. a nice looking bird with lousy breast is an easy cull..

The good thing is both cockerels are NN, they are going to throw 100% chicks with naked necks(NN or Nn), no matter what the hens are- NN, Nn or nn. So if there's a large bib pullet with qualities you like, don't hesitate to keep her because of the bib, especially if she's "better" than another NN pullet.

 

[KentuckyRooster]

Ooh I want to see! Will try to head over there and see if I can read posts.. thanks for the heads up! btw none of the chicks from the dwarf pullets are dwarfed(CX cross father). Another very strong hint it is something sex linked and recessive. I did notice one cockerel that might be(after you circle 7 times and cross your eyes) showing ever so slight dwarfing- slightly short looking legs. Like his father has.

Put one dwarf with the roo last week, not sure if he can breed her though as she is the smallest(others had gone broody..) so the body proportions could not really be any more different. Should get dwarf cockerels if the idea of him being the source of a recessive sex linked dwarf is a correct one.

You could do an AI on them if all else fails. Fingers crossed. This dwarf thing sounds cool.

 

[chickengr]

5 toes and that gypsy face I would bet he has some silkie blood mixing around in there.

no silkie blood and he has red face. 5 toes are just anomaly (double and parallel back toe). it is a girl with gypsy face. I hope the new ones that I ordered will be like her.

 

[Kassaundra]

no silkie blood and he has red face. 5 toes are just anomaly (double and parallel back toe). it is a girl with gypsy face. I hope the new ones that I ordered will be like her.

I thought that gypsy faced one looked like a girl, but I thought well maybe "he" is young a late bloomer and at a bad angle.