Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[flower]

Hey Nitro, Those are good questions and you will get the best answers here specially from Ken and Dipsy (Lisa) but I want to make some comments. The eggs size is only determined by the female. Second do you know that NN came in bantam size ? Of course they are not as tiny as the Serama. As far as the cross, the offspring will not be of the same size, all will be different until way down the line say F17. Any breeding with different size breeds will vary, some bigger, some smaller and some medium. I think that you are planning a Serama rooster over NN hens and I think that is the better way. Small guy on top.

Most of the standard size NN females that I have or had are 1/3 less the size of the rooster. I have just started to raise bantam NN. Five hatched out and were all the same size except the one who needed the shell peeled off. As they have grown, they are not all the same size. Next spring I will be looking for chicks since I do NOT seem to have good incubation skills.

I hope that you are enjoying your new babies.

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[leadwolf1]

Maybe this is a crazy question, but could a serama successfully breed a NN? Even a bantam one? I know that my daughter's OEGB can't come close to making it happen. He mounts, hangs on but just can't reach! And, the serama would probably be smaller still....

 

[gootziecat]

This is an interesting line of conversation to me. I like the NNs and find the hens' size ok but I don't particularly care for the large roos. The thought has occurred to me more than once of getting a "midsize" by crossing a bantam NN with a LF, selecting for large eggs but smaller sized roos. Has anyone had any experience with this? Dipsy, you cross a lot. Any comments?

 

[Nava]

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there is Naked Neck bantams too, make it easier on the little guy

 

[Nitrostreak]

I am wishing I HAD gotten some bantam NN's!

Unfortunately, my Mom's not fond of the smaller chooks for some reason, so my first NN's had to be a compromise... I expect it'll be a lot easier to get bantams once I've got her completely sold on the standards

My main interest in NN Seramas is that dramatic stance plus the extreme small size. Perhaps I can convince Mother to let me get some bantam NNs and a Serama rooster?

I'm going to need my OWN coop soon...

Edit: I DO have a couple of bantam roosters; one OEGB and one Dutch Bantam. Perhaps I could start with them and try breeding down the size, then add in Seramas later down the line to get the stance. Hmmm!

Edit: Edit: STOP ME! Now my brain wants me to try Showgirl/Serama! XD

 

[Kev]

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Ha, you definitely will get bizarre a-plenty!

LaFleche combs are "mostly dominant"- will show up in crosses but the combs will vary a bit in appearance.. not sure what the combs would look like- apparently the combs of crosses don't look exactly the same as LaFleche combs. I only saw pictures of crosses with Buttercups, which wouldn't apply here. would be interesting to see the result of horn combined with pea comb... Jezobel is not pure for pea, so you will get both 'pea' and 'single' combined with the horns.

Definitely will get half blue and half black offspring from Jezobel and Lestat. You know half of the chicks will be naked neck, others not. (eagerly awaiting pics of naked necked with super funky combs!)

If you want to get the 'proper horns' back, will need to either do an sibling intercross or back cross to pure LaFleche.

 

[Kassaundra]

I just googled la fletch chickens and that was interesting! All the pics w/ the striking horned combs were male, what does the females comb look like?

 

[Kev]

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Please ask ANY questions on this forum. The only bad one is an unasked one...

There are several different dwarfing and "size" genes in chickens. Size of offspring depends on which genes were involved(some bantams have sex linked dwarf genes), generally they are mid size between the parents. By the way- size of chick is not a totally reliable indicator of adult size- some lines of very large, heavy birds lay small eggs and chicks are small/normal size.. they just grow way fast or continue to grow for a much longer period of time than other chickens. Some bantams lay a large egg compared to their body size, chicks can be almost normal size but they either grow slowly or their growth stops very early on.

Breeding bantam with larges don't cause much problems as the embryo is limited by the yolk supply and egg size is not influenced by size of the breeding roo. There is sometimes a problem of a dwarfed embryo having difficulty absorbing all of the yolk in a large egg by hatching time, but generally eggs from bantam-standard crosses hatch without much problems. I've done sebright with normal size hen and vice versa(had to do AI as the roo could not breed the sebright hen due to size difference)- chicks hatched out well from both.

From your other posts: keep in mind Dutch have white earlobes. This is due to several genes and as a result, very very hard to get rid of after crossing. If you don't want white in the lobes, highly recommend staying away from using Dutch.

Many bantam roosters eventually figure out how to breed larger hens or happen to "hit the target" sometimes. AI is very easy though.. there is a video on Youtube on how to collect from roosters. And you only need to do that once or twice per week to get at least decent fertility in the eggs.

A naked neck with the extreme serama posture would be Way Cool! Especially on the ones that 'shake' their necks. There was someone who had a serama with naked neck, apparently he/she had a hard time breeding from that bird though.. a serama problem not a naked neck one.

 

[Kev]

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Dipsy has the perfect birds for what you want...

Sex size difference, that's a good question. I haven't seen anything on genetics of that in chickens.

I have another idea- crossing NN to a breed with the size you like. Won't matter if the NN is large or bantam, you could just select the preferred size out of the crosses?

Some bantams have sex linked dwarfing genes, so depending on how you breed them, could end up with males way bigger than their sisters.. or males about the same size as their sisters. They won't breed down the generations very consistently, with relatively large size differences between individual birds. Using a standard NN bred to your preferred size birds could be more "stable" in comparsion?

 

[Knock Kneed Hen]

If you kept breeding for the most naked neck would you eventually have birds that are too naked or should I say, have sparsely feathered bodies?