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Small farms have an easier time keeping animals in clean, well spaced conditions and have an easier time killing the animals humanely due to the fact that they don't have to process hundreds of animals in a single day. The exception to that may be the killing of small animals such as chickens on a small farm.

Factory farms are massive operations that raise, contain and butcher hundreds if not thousands of animals every day. To do that they need to be able to process the animals quickly and efficiently and with efficiency comes short cuts. Speed and product turn out has caused many companies to cut corners and endanger lives for the sake of better production.

Not all large farms will cut corners so much as to be sending still thrashing cows down the line to be processed, but some will if the demand is there and the profit is good.
So smaller farms, if given the right light, can make a bit of better business for themselves by offering humanely treated meats.

One big fact that needs to be accepted is that in order to eat meat, an animal has to die.
Death will always incur some amount of pain even if it is a fraction of a second. The process of dying from most humane methods of slaughter involve muscle spasms and a disarray of brain firings. What may look like a living and feeling animal may not always be that. The animal's body may just be reacting to uncontrolled synapses and it really is unconscious and unfeeling. When people were beheaded their bodies would flail after their head removed and with the guillotine doctors even noted that the heads would blink and even appear to speak after being removed. Disconnecting the brain from the body suddenly is considered the most humane death and notoriously causes the shocking reaction many people see and believe to be a live animal.
 
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Katy, even Temple Grandin, who is very familiar with livestock raising operations and slaughterhouses agrees that changes need to be made to improve the conditions for animals. Her latest book details the problems that she belives need adressing. The problem of cruelty in factory farming is widespread and well documented. I think this is also less about condemnation but about improving the lives of food animals.
 
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That will not happen. The market will determine the cost, and the owners of large food corporations are very powerful. If a law or laws were in fact causing prices to spike to levels that the markey cannot bear, it would be changed. It is important to understand that giant companies like that have interests at many levels and they are able to exact great influence. That is why the things that go on in factory farms are legal, but if I were to do that in my home, I would be arrested for animal cruelty. There is no profit in it for the corporations, polititions and the wealthy 2% to allow a product such as eggs to reach $10 a dozen.

Right, and we will never see the price of a pickup truck jump from $3,000.00 to 30,000.00, there's no profit in it. People will just refuse to by them.
 
Prices go up. Pickups cost that much because people are willing to pay that much. It's simple economics.
 
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Yup.
We either drink the GOOD milk (organic, pasture-raised, and non-homogenized) or we don't drink it at all. After tasting the good stuff you don't even WANT to drink the crappy stuff! We occasionally get canned milk for a recipe if we don't have fresh.

At the tune of $6.50/gal (plus gas and time for a trip up town, out of the way) we didn't drink milk for over a year when I was unemployed
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Tala-happy 1 year on byc- I agree-people want to keep prices low, I understand. and I also understand what its like to be poor(don't get me started on that, trust me, I am). and I also understand what goes on in factory farms and HAVE witnessed big farm atrocities-but I still think it goes against my nature to tolerate even ONE instance of neglect/abuse/cruelty(and all of the above DO happen only REGUARLY) from these facilities. I eat less meat now(and only from a specific chosen farm) and my chickens have been my own as are the eggs. they're ALSO my love and hobby so I have incorperated the 2. not to mention how healthy I am/feel/look. it has to start somewhere. and I also love my guns for those that think I am ignorant on that subject.
 
Factory farms are for profit. Yes we all want to make money, but doing that while harming another living creature, which includes humans, I can't understand. I don't want to die from a poisoning from fecal matter from a cow that had to stand in 3ft of crap, do you?? There is plenty of empty farm land in this county were the animals can roam, but that would take effort, and housing thousands of animals into a tiny building, takes far less effort.
 
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I just think the most powerful thing we can do is vote with our pocketbooks. Factory farming is the result of people demanding cheap food. If people demand ethically raised food and are willing to pay for it, it will happen.

Honestly..i dont think that it will happen because most people CANT afford the higher meat price... I know i cant.

this is where all the money talk gets me-I AM TECHNICALLY very poor(certainly, not in my heart, tho)and my passion for animals is my CHOICE because since I DON'T have money for frivolities I do without MOST items others feel are necessary. thus I CAN afford my meat chickens, layers,home. altho I don't eat much meat, I feed most to my son, I purchase from a specific organic farm I checked out. makes me feel a whole lot better about compromising.
 
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Katy, even Temple Grandin, who is very familiar with livestock raising operations and slaughterhouses agrees that changes need to be made to improve the conditions for animals. Her latest book details the problems that she belives need adressing. The problem of cruelty in factory farming is widespread and well documented. I think this is also less about condemnation but about improving the lives of food animals.

Imagine that, a quick google search showed one Dr. Temple Grandin securely in the hip pocket of some group about Ethical Treatment of Animals.... ya know, the group the blows up research labratories?
 
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Thanks to those who participated in a civil manner.
 
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