"Nature Smart" chicken feed...

[Sseckel]

Cindy- I never said Nature Wise was organic and my post didn't say it was new, it was new to me 18 months ago. I don't care if it is conventional or organic i offered up a feed that I have experienced and have had success with that was also made by Cargill. If the OP was asking about organics feeds specifically, I'm sorry I missed that part.

 

[TXchickmum]

I will be happy to try the Nature Wise feed if I can locate it! (I simply stated that I prefer organic. -don't have to have it.) I will definitely purchase the Nature Wise and feed it to my flock if it is the same type/consistency of feed as the Nature Smart. I loved the Nature Smart because it did not produce dust/powder - was just an added benefit, IMO, that it was "organic".

I did contact Cargill. They do still make the Nature Smart organic feed, but stated that it is very difficult to ship to our region (Texas).

They, too, suggested the Nature Wise products. I am, however, having difficulty finding a retailer that carries these.

Sseckel, I very much appreciated your input/suggestions! Again, thanks.

 

[Cindy in PA]

I haven't spouted any "half truths".

Organic is regulated, but it's not regulated in the ways people seem to think it is. What is chosen for inclusion is almost completely arbitrary - the decisions aren't made on what's healthy, or what is hazardous. Organic food is a multi-billion dollar market in the US - it's big business, and there are very few independents who don't end up as the property of Coca Cola, or Hines, or Nestle,etc , and as such they lobby for what's best for them.

Even the USDA organic council, the governing body on organic foods, states that organic foods aren't healthier, so you can believe whatever you want, but your belief isn't backed up by any data.

More generalizations etc. The government takeover of organic is the problem. That is why I said "know" your source. Don't know why you are so determined to put down organic, but to each his own I guess.

 

[CrazyTalk]

Cindy, if you have a problem with anything I said, be specific.

My problem with Organic is it's not based on health, safety, or anything meaningful. It's food "purity". It's a misleading distinction, and the pushing of it actively endangers our food supply. The organic food lobby pushes more misinformation than just about anything.

 

[Cindy in PA]

Cindy, if you have a problem with anything I said, be specific.

My problem with Organic is it's not based on health, safety, or anything meaningful. It's food "purity". It's a misleading distinction, and the pushing of it actively endangers our food supply. The organic food lobby pushes more misinformation than just about anything.

Sure is based on health. No GMO's or synthetic pesticides or herbicides. Conventional Ag endangers organic by taking organic pesticides that are used as needed & splicing them into plants rendering the pesticide useless in the long term. Round up creates super weeds. BT corn is losing it's effectiveness & so is Round Up, so now the USDA is about to approve the use of Round UP & 2 4D together, yummy. How many years before the weeds are resistant to that chemical cocktail? We are growing more food with LESS nutrition & more problems. So what is endangering the food supply? Tell me how organic endangers the food supply? I don't go by the "organic lobby" etc. I grow organic & buy organic from people I trust. The government has ruined the organic label. I would never buy organic from the likes of Cargill etc. Don't understand your food purity comment. Feed & eat what you want, but don't push the crap on those of us that don't want it.

 

[CrazyTalk]

Almost none of what you're saying is backed up by any sort of evidence. Most of the nastiest pesticides out there are the organic ones. That's right, the synthetics are in most cases safer - because they go through testing, and trials, before they get used. Organic pesticides, like Rotenone (derived from jicama root), are highly toxic.


Except with roundup creating roundup resistant weeds - because anything that kills weeds creates resistance - roundup, neem, vinegar, salt, whatever. It's basic evolution.

We are growing more food with LESS nutrition & more problems.

This is how the organic movement is endangering our food supply. We have people like you spreading outright falsehoods like this because they simply do not understand the science involved. Organic vegetables DO NOT CONTAIN MORE NUTRIENTS.

Here's an article on studies done on organic vs conventionally grown foods, specifically nutrient levels:
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/...rming-meta-analysis-what-does-it-really-show/

Organic produce typically has lower levels of protien, fiber, and nitrates, but higher phosphate levels - which aren't helpful because almost no one is phosphate starved.


In addition, the higher cost of organic vegetables, and all the pesticide fear mongering is actually causing people to eat LESS VEGETABLES, which is a huge negative for health.

 

[Cindy in PA]

Almost none of what you're saying is backed up by any sort of evidence. Most of the nastiest pesticides out there are the organic ones. That's right, the synthetics are in most cases safer - because they go through testing, and trials, before they get used. Organic pesticides, like Rotenone (derived from jicama root), are highly toxic.


Except with roundup creating roundup resistant weeds - because anything that kills weeds creates resistance - roundup, neem, vinegar, salt, whatever. It's basic evolution.

We are growing more food with LESS nutrition & more problems.

This is how the organic movement is endangering our food supply. We have people like you spreading outright falsehoods like this because they simply do not understand the science involved. Organic vegetables DO NOT CONTAIN MORE NUTRIENTS.

Here's an article on studies done on organic vs conventionally grown foods, specifically nutrient levels:
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/...rming-meta-analysis-what-does-it-really-show/

Organic produce typically has lower levels of protien, fiber, and nitrates, but higher phosphate levels - which aren't helpful because almost no one is phosphate starved.


In addition, the higher cost of organic vegetables, and all the pesticide fear mongering is actually causing people to eat LESS VEGETABLES, which is a huge negative for health.

Wow, just wow!

 

[Mohawk Chickens]

Ok. So after all the back and forth by these two, did we get a good answer to the question? I, too, am looking for a good feed with genetically modified organisms. I feel ok with feeding less nutritional feed because I supplement their feed.... Right now I am going back and forth between Dumor (TSC brand) and Purina Sunfresh. I must be looking in the wrong places because I have read about their companies and histories and nowhere have I read they are staying away from gmo ingredients. Also, when I look for local veggies I look for non pesticide and non gmo. If my apple has a blemish, cut it off the apple. So much easier than arguing two sides of the same coin. Thanks, for reading and any honest help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[matt44644]

INGREDIENTS​

Organic Ground Wheat, Organic Wheat Middlings, Organic Soybean Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Organic Ground Corn, Dicalcium Phosphate, Monocalcium Phosphate, Salt, Penicillium funiculosum*,DL- Methionine, Sodium Bicarbonate, Choline Chloride, Manganous Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Chloride, Copper Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Sulfate, Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement,​

INGREDIENTS-CONT​

Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin.​

GUARANTEED-ANALYSIS​

Crude Protein Min. 16%, Lysine Min. 0.75%, Methionine Min. 0.26%, Crude Fat Min. 2%, Crude Fiber Max. 4%, Calcium Min. 3.2%...Max. 3.3%, Phosphorus Min. 0.6%, Salt min. 2.8%...Max. 0.38%, Sodium Min. 0.19%...Max. 0.21%, * The above guaranteed analysis may vary by manufacturing location, please refer to tag for specific information.​

http://www.murdochs.com/shop/naturesmart-organic-layer-complete-16-pellets-poultry-feed

 

[ourltlflock]

I use the Nature Smart Organic Layer pellets and my girls love it. A little expensive, but I get great tasting eggs and that's worth it to me.