Need help making homemade chicken feed - rye, oats, and barley

[pibb]

We came up with this i make my own someone said I didn't have enough of protein I think so this is what we came up with my flock loves it

Read the entire thing its all there

You said you made this? How did you calculate the total protein percentage and fat content?

Each and every ingredient has protein, fats, vitamins, minerals and it changes whether the ingredient is dried, boiled, deep fried, sprouted, etc. This isnt something you can throw together and just calculate in a minute and call it good. This is the reason you should have a detailed list of the ingredients specs to figure up the end result.

 

[ladyearth]

you can buy the additive I bought an organic feed base. It says mix with GROUND GRAIN.I believe its Ferrells ... Prob a 10 or 5 lb. bag......\ It was from a reseller on the web
There is no brand on it. It kind of sandy type consistency. I bought it yrs ago ad used it of and on when I gave them a mix occasionally. Since like I mentioned previously my Girls picked thru the seeds and left say the Flax seed... so Im sorry I didn't ground it
Now when I give them the fine particles let from regular feed Call it a "powder". I save it for the next day and add say Kale juice or fish juice and little say Quinoia or sesame seeds etc.
Then the POWDER doesn't ge wasted. Cause I buy the more expensive Organic feed...
I'm just suggesting

 

[Folly's place]

Also, the vitamin/ mineral mix won't keep forever, so pay attention to that part of the story too. Using stuff that's lost vitamins won't be better.
Mary

 

[pibb]

Here is what you need to figure it up:

Ingredient	Protein	Fat
2 lbs hulled barley	12.5%	2.3%
1 lb yellow corn	9.4%	4.7%
3 lbs raw lentils	25.8%	1.1%
1 lb oats	16.9%	6.9%
1/4 lb peanuts	25.8%	49.2%
3.5 lbs peas	24.6%	1.2%
2.75 lbs quinoa	14.1%	6.1%
1/4 lb sesame seeds	17.7%	49.7%
1 lb wheat bran	15.5%	4.3%
3 lbs durum	13.7%	2.5%
2 lbs spring wheat	15.4%	1.9%
1/4 lb brewers yeast	53.5%	0.0%

Weighted avg calculator
By the way that recipe equals 20 lbs not 20.25 lbs.

Total Weight	Total Protein	Total Fat
20 lbs	18.26%	4.08%

As far as the vitamins and minerals goes. I'll let you tally all that up since it has taken me 45 min to figure up what you see. So yes it does appear someone knew what they were doing when they figured up that recipe at least for the protein and fat. Keep in mind that when you mix all this stuff it is going to variate to some degree, meaning it may actually be 17% protein the next time you fix it.

 

[Lady Gray]

Brewers yeast is not a complete vitamin/ mineral mix! What else?
Mary

Seriously, if you have something actually helpful to suggest do so, quit picking it apart. Tell her what she needs, this isn’t a highschool class.

 

[Folly's place]

Seriously, I already did.
Mary

 

[SapphireFeather]

Kind of late, but I thought I could be helpful on this topic. Using only these three ingredients, I've done some math and and figured out where the nutrients are particularly deficient. Barley is the best of these three grains in terms of ratios of protein and nutrient density.

For a mix with the proportions of:
Barley: 75%
Oats: 15%
Rye: 10%

The resulting levels of vitamins and minerals are:
Protein: 61.119%
Fat: 109.433%
Calcium Ca: 0.921%
Copper Cu: 44.17%
Iron Fe: 56.86%
Magnesium Mg: 193.6%
Manganese Mn: 66.140%
Phosphorus P: 110.96%
Potassium K: 216.9%
Sodium Na: 4.833%
Zinc Zn: 70.357%
Vitamin A: 5.866%
Vitamin D: 0%
Vitamin E: 20%
Vitamin B12: 0%
Thiamin: 421.214%
Riboflavin: 50.240%
Pantothenic acid: 276.05%
Niacin: 403%
Folate: 117.8%
Arginine: 59.628%
Histidine: 109.5%
Isoleucine: 44.969%
Leucine: 70.131%
Lysine: 43.621%
Methionine: 52.600%
Phenylalanine: 92.100%
Threonine: 56.330%
Tryptophan: 84.937%
Valine: 56.600%

As you can see, it's impossible to create a mix that's balanced out of only these three grains. You'll need to provide a source of calcium and protein for sure. If you're able to feed fish of fishmeal pellets at a rate of 15% of their diet by weight, that would bring the protein content to 18% and provide a variety of vitamins that are difficult to obtain from vegetarian sources, such as Vitamin D. I've calculated a much more balanced feed using ingredients that should be readily available to most people:

Barley, raw, pearled: 50%
Rye: 15%
Oats: 10%
Fishmeal (or other protein source): 15%
Leafy greens: 5%
Oyster Shell: 5%
Basil: 1%
Ginger: 1%
Cilantro: 0.5%
Brewer's yeast: 0.5%
Cayenne, pepper: 0.5%
Spearmint, dried: 0.5%

With the above mix, the resulting vitamin and mineral levels are:
Protein: 103.447%
Fat: 130.536%
Calcium Ca: 69.726%
Copper Cu: 55.555%
Iron Fe: 193.653%
Magnesium Mg: 316.929%
Manganese Mn: 78.156%
Phosphorus P: 257.951%
Potassium K: 330.446%
Sodium Na: 161.633%
Zinc Zn: 102.549%
Vitamin A: 259.518%
Vitamin D: 109.999%
Vitamin E: 116.7%
Vitamin B12: 125%
Thiamin: 361.857%
Riboflavin: 114.576%
Pantothenic acid: 353.257%
Niacin: 524.108%
Folate: 157.44%
Arginine: 140.975%
Histidine: 240.676%
Isoleucine: 101.947%
Leucine: 149.598%
Lysine: 148.571%
Methionine: 135.498%
Phenylalanine: 152.430%
Threonine: 131.708%
Tryptophan: 128.874%
Valine: 118.677%

Let me know if there are certain ingredients you want or needed to include, or could not gain access to. I can recalculate the nutrient levels. I'm a programmer and wrote a script that allows me to calculate it easily. I can also explain how I calculated all of these numbers, if you were curious.

Hope it helps

 

[Folly's place]

@SapphireFeather , I don't understand your percentages as given above for nutrients. Could you explain?
Mary

 

[SapphireFeather]

@Folly's place Ah, you're right, that's a bit confusing! So, I have a set of nutritional requirements that should be met for either chicks, pullets, or layers. After calculating the amount of nutrients in a mix of ingredients, I compare the quantity of nutrients to that in the requirements.

So, for the mix mentioned above consisting of:
Barley, raw, pearled: 46%
Brewer's yeast: 0.5%
Fishmeal: 15%
Oats: 10%
Oyster Shell: 5%
Rye grain: 15%
Spearmint, dried: 0.5%
Basil: 1%
Cilantro: 0.5%
Ginger: 1%
Cayenne, pepper: 0.5%
Leafy greens: 5%

The actual nutrients per 100G of feed are:
Protein: 18.548G
Fat: 3.916G
Calcium Ca: 2440.411MG
Copper Cu: 0.555MG
Iron Fe: 9.682MG
Magnesium Mg: 158.464MG
Manganese Mn: 2.344MG
Phosphorus P: 644.879MG
Potassium K: 495.669MG
Sodium Na: 241.595MG
Zinc Zn: 3.589MG
Vitamin A: 778.555IU
Vitamin D: 0.825MCG
Vitamin E: 0.583IU
Vitamin B12: 0.005MG
Thiamin: 0.252MG
Riboflavin: 0.286MG
Pantothenic acid: 0.706MG
Niacin: 5.241MG
Folate: 39.36MCG
Arginine: 0.986G
Histidine: 0.408G
Isoleucine: 0.662G
Leucine: 1.196G
Lysine: 1.0360G
Methionine: 0.406G
Phenylalanine: 0.762G
Threonine: 0.658G
Tryptophan: 0.206G
Valine: 0.830G

I then compare each of these to the requirements for a layer hen specified in the publication Nutrient Requirements of Poultry: Ninth Revised Edition, 1994 (1994) to come up with a percentage of the nutrient's requirement met. That's where those percentages you see in my previous comment are.

Pretty nifty, right?

 

[New Chicken Mamma]

Amazing.