Needing Help With Necropsy GRAPHIC!

[KsKingBee]

This looks like her liver

Yes I know better. I called it the kidney twice today when talking to DW and she corrected me both times.

 

[casportpony]

Yes I know better. I called it the kidney twice today when talking to DW and she corrected me both times.

 

[KsKingBee]

https://ucdavis.pure.elsevier.com/e...oniasis-in-the-bursa-of-fabricius-of-chickens
"Abstract
Histomoniasis was diagnosed in a flock of 6-wk-old commercial chickens. Clinical signs included depression, stilted gait, inappetence, and a slight increase in mortality. At necropsy, there were pale-yellow to dark-gray circular and depressed necrotic lesions in the liver. The ceca were enlarged and impacted with caseous cores. Cecal worms were not observed either at necropsy or on histopathology. Histomonads were demonstrated microscopically within the bursa of Fabricius in addition to the liver, ceca, and spleen. This is the first report of the presence of histomonads in the bursa of Fabricius in commercial chickens.

Original language English (US)
Pages (from-to) 711-715
Number of pages 5
Journal Avian Diseases
Volume 48
Issue number 3
State Published - Sep 2004 "

The fecal float did not show any cocci or worm eggs. How do you have blackhead without the carriers being present?

 

[casportpony]

The fecal float did not show any cocci or worm eggs. How do you have blackhead without the carriers being present?

Think about it... how could a worm survive in the infected ceca? I don't think they can.

That abstract said:

Cecal worms were not observed either at necropsy or on histopathology.

And that is not the first time I have read something like that. If you want me to, I'll send your pictures to the pathologist I use and see if he will comment.

 

[casportpony]

@KsKingBee , do you remember seeing any of my blackhead necropsy pictures? I think I did three or four (one or two of mine, two for someone else), and I found no cecal worms in those, but they very clearly had blackhead. And there were the 2-3 that I sent to the lab, again, no cecal worms in those either.

 

[KsKingBee]

Think about it... how could a worm survive in the infected ceca? I don't think they can.

That abstract said:


And that is not the first time I have read something like that. If you want me to, I'll send your pictures to the pathologist I use and see if he will comment.

I would be forever in your debt, thank you.

 

[KsKingBee]

@KsKingBee , do you remember seeing any of my blackhead necropsy pictures? I think I did three or four (one or two of mine, two for someone else), and I found no cecal worms in those, but they very clearly had blackhead. And there were the 2-3 that I sent to the lab, again, no cecal worms in those either.

I believe I remember seeing them a couple of years back? I suppose that my deworming may have killed the carriers but not the pathogen. I will give them some metronidazole in the morning.

 

[bargain]

@bargain, your post will take some time to answer, thank you. I will answer back later today when my company leaves.

No need to reply, I think I was just trying to think of any and everything. Looks like you have super consultation here from folks (not patting my back but others) I will follow this to learn for myself as well. There is a good brief two page article from your area on blackhead disease. We never medicated our poultry against blackhead as the occurrences in our farming community were 0% when we had turkeys and the one visiting peafowl. Preventing Blackhead Disease by Kansas State Resource staff. Please be kind to yourself. Apparently blackhead is fairly indemic to your state after I read the preface to the article. If you find it is blackhead, it could be as simple as chicken who carry blackhead could have been around and about the area where your turkeys are. PS Please be careful of both your eyes and lungs when working around the birds. Eye masks are recommended as well as face masks. Inhaling or direct eye exposure can be problematic for humans! I have "bad lungs" and "eyes" and both docs have been on the alert for zoonological diseases and I was tested negative for histoplasmosis, but found I had another zoonological disease. Wishing all the best and praying for your poultry and your peace of mind and you as well! https://www.bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/EP69.pdf

 

[casportpony]

No need to reply, I think I was just trying to think of any and everything. Looks like you have super consultation here from folks (not patting my back but others) I will follow this to learn for myself as well. There is a good brief two page article from your area on blackhead disease. We never medicated our poultry against blackhead as the occurrences in our farming community were 0% when we had turkeys and the one visiting peafowl. Preventing Blackhead Disease by Kansas State Resource staff. Please be kind to yourself. Apparently blackhead is fairly indemic to your state after I read the preface to the article. If you find it is blackhead, it could be as simple as chicken who carry blackhead could have been around and about the area where your turkeys are. Wishing all the best and praying for your poultry and your peace of mind! https://www.bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/EP69.pdf

Great post and link!

 

[KsKingBee]

No need to reply, I think I was just trying to think of any and everything. Looks like you have super consultation here from folks (not patting my back but others) I will follow this to learn for myself as well. There is a good brief two page article from your area on blackhead disease. We never medicated our poultry against blackhead as the occurrences in our farming community were 0% when we had turkeys and the one visiting peafowl. Preventing Blackhead Disease by Kansas State Resource staff. Please be kind to yourself. Apparently blackhead is fairly indemic to your state after I read the preface to the article. If you find it is blackhead, it could be as simple as chicken who carry blackhead could have been around and about the area where your turkeys are. PS Please be careful of both your eyes and lungs when working around the birds. Eye masks are recommended as well as face masks. Inhaling or direct eye exposure can be problematic for humans! I have "bad lungs" and "eyes" and both docs have been on the alert for zoonological diseases and I was tested negative for histoplasmosis, but found I had another zoonological disease. Wishing all the best and praying for your poultry and your peace of mind and you as well! https://www.bookstore.ksre.ksu.edu/pubs/EP69.pdf

You had given me a lot of good leads in your post and I wanted to give them all due consideration, I just got too tired last night. I am on my way to read the link you provided, thank you for that. I did have a couple cases of BH here but not for the last two years. I have been doing a much better job of controlling worms and in this case cecal so I just haven't had a case until possible now. It does make sense that my worming killed the carriers leaving the protozoa to continue attacking the host.