New Additions to the decor of Glenn Cottage Eggery

[rebbetzin]

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I am glad you are enjoying the eggery photos!

The subject of to vax or not to vax is a hot one. Have you ever read "Shot in the Dark"

http://www.becomehealthynow.com/article/readingimmun/281/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/aug/13/familyandrelationships.medicineandhealth


The key is to have a good immune system by eating food as close to the way it was created as possible. And if you are lackig in nutrients to take the needed supplements. A strong immune system and a healthy body is our best defense against any disease. That is not only for us but for our livestock and pets.

Most of us take better care of our pets than we do ourselves. I include myself in that one.
Knowing what is right to do, and doing it, are often two different things all together!!

 

[the simple life]

Vaccines have been proven to cause all kinds of brain damage and immune system problems is children.
There is such a thing called "vaccine court" where many kids with autism have already recieved compensation.
Check out the Hanah Poling case where government and private doctors were consulted as to whether vaccines could have caused all her issues.
Verdict yes they can.
As far as the governemnt removing thimerisol from all vaccines years ago, thats not true at all.
THey were told to stop manufacturing vaccines with thimerisol as a preservative, but there millions upon millions of these vaccines stored in warehouses and doctors offices that was still given out until supply ran out, even though it was proven to be damaging enough that they were told to stop making it.
Thimerisol was made by Eli Lily years ago and was never fda approved because it was grandfathered in.
Thimerisol is almost 50 percent mercury.
Ever look up Pinks Disease? It was caused by thimerisol that was put in baby talc and teething creams, caused their skin to burn off and autism like symptoms.
Funny thing happend, when they stopped using it, pinks disease disappeared.
I took my daughter to the doctor just recently, they asked if they could give her vaccination.
I asked to see the inner pamphlet on it, the word thimerisol was on the second line.
It is not gone completely, they are just staying under the radar.
All these diseases might be gone.
The rates of AUTISM are inconceivable.
First of all there are far too many vaccinations given to infants so that they are bombarded with live viruses and mercury. It suppresses their immune system and causes brain damage.
Explain why a day old baby needs a hepatitis shot?
Explain why a month old baby or a 4 month old baby needs 4 shots in one visit that contain as many as 12 or more live viruses.
I would love to know why we have to eradicate chicken pox.
Why on earth is there a chicken pox vaccine.
If you think its not to make money thats almost funny.
People have gotten chicken pox for years, its almost a right of passage as a kid, yet now you have to be vaccinated for it to enter school.
Guess what, it does not offer a lifetime of immunity either.
SO here is the choice, either get the chicken pox as an adult when the immunity from the vaccine wears off and become deathly ill, or get the shot again and again cha ching cha ching to stay immune.
Its a scam and its at the cost of our children.
I am wondering why just 25 years ago a kid could enter school with only 8 or so vaccinations required and now its up to 24 or more.
Are there alot of new diseases around?
Is this generation healthier for it? Oh wait no, because they all have ASD.
When we were all growing up we had what 4 or less vaccinations and somehow now its 36 total by the time you graduate from highschool and 24 to enter kindergarten.
How come all these adults aren't dropping like flies from chicken pox, dyptheria, and the rest?
All these boosters that are required are to make money, Period.
Ever take your kids for shots. Then test their immunity through titre testing?
You can test their blood titres for immunity against all the the viruses they make you get boosters for, and after the first one they will have sky high titres, lifetime immunity.
So why keep getting more booster shots if they are already immune?

Did you know they were not really voluntarily removed?
Someone caught on to the homeland security act, with the fisk rider.
They were caught and thats when they agreed to remove them.
When the HOmeland security act was passed no one knew there was a rider attached that was designed to protect the big pharmaceutical companies from being sued by parents that had children die or damaged by their vaccines.
All H**l broke loose when it was discovered and they did damage control.
These companies donated millions to the Bush campaign by the way.
But no its not about the money.
Read the Simpsonwood Minutes.
There is a doctor on record who says he would never let his grandchilren recieve the current vaccines but since he was there to make money who signed off on it. But still wouldn't let his own relative get a vaccine that he helped put in the current vaccine schedule.
Okay, I can't stand getting into these debates when there is so much misinimformation out there that can hurt children.
I have seen shot in the dark by the way, I think she did a great job.

 

[pinkfeather]

Let's all give a good clap for the simple life. What you said was very true. http://thinktwice.com/ This website has storries about what happened to babies who were given these vaccines. Warning: it will make you cry.

 

[The Chicken Lady]

The topic of vaccines has come up on BYC before, and it is incredibly controversial. Hopefully this topic stays away from argument.

To provide an opposing viewpoint... As someone who works in schools with a LARGE number of people around all day, I am thankful for the vaccines I have received, and wouldn't hesitate to have any children of my own receive vaccinations. In fact, I am just about to schedule myself and my husband for our yearly flu shots. The dangers of being sick with some of these deadly illnesses far outweigh the risk of side effects from vaccines, in my opinion.

Some people take medication that makes their immune systems weak (for example, my husband is on Humira for his Crohn's). Without vaccinations, something that would be very common for the rest of us could put him in the hospital fighting for his life.

It is scary to think that the anti-vaccination movement could bring back diseases like polio. Vaccinations have caused more good than harm, I think.

 

[eggdoc]

Wow! This certainly is a hot button topic! I'm sorry that it detracts from the original thread (perhaps the moderator may wish to move it to a more appropriate section).

You have no argument from me that there seems to be too many required vaccines (I have three children). However, let's stick to the facts. A good source would be the U. S. Food and Drug Administration (fda.gov), which must track vaccine ingredients. Thimerosal was removed from the last remaining pediatric vaccine in March, 2001. It remains as a preservative in the inactivated flu shot, and the dT (diphtheria and tetanus booster, given to adolescents and adults). Regrettably, Thimerosal may still be used as a preservative for vaccines headed out of the country.

It seems foolish that a mercury-based compound was EVER used as a preservative for a pediatric vaccine. However, that can't be undone. There is a blurry line between causation and association when it comes to vaccines and neurologic disorders. Certainly, cases of Guillain-Barre sydrome have been reported to rarely follow vaccines, as well as some other neurologic complications. The current data on autism suggests that mercury exposure was not a factor (Lancet, March 2004).

I think what this boils down to is that each parent must do what he/she feels is best for the child, while relying on best available evidence.

 

[the simple life]

I don't think there is any kind of anti vaccine movement going on, I believe it is a movement for a safer vaccine schedule and ingredients.
In fact there is one going on right now called Green Our Vaccines, and is demanding a safer vaccine schedule and safer ingredients.
The current vaccine schedule is unsafe and is hurting children.
It does way more harm that good, or I would like someone to explain to me why the current explosion of children with Autism Spectrum Disorders conicides exactly with the current vaccine schedule.
Back when kids were getting a lot less vaccines, yes there was still mercury in them, but they were only getting one at a time here and there and they were able to detox it out of their system.
But when you give a baby 4 vaccines at once and all of them contain mercury on top of live viruses that suppress the immune system, tell me how that isn't going to cause major, many times irreversible damage.
When you speak about getting vaccines for yourself, its very different. You are talking about going and getting your yearly flu shot.
You are getting one vaccine at a time. One vaccine.
That is very very different than a one month old baby going in for a routine office visit and receiving 4 injections at the same time. Two shots in each thigh, and recieving oh I don't know 14 live viruses, and then having the same thing done again in a couple of months, and then again in a couple more months.
That is way too much, a baby does not have a strong enough immune system to handle all the live viruses that are put in its poor little body at once.

I love when people say that the mercury was removed from the vaccines and all is well now.
If you ask that same person what is actually in the vaccines, they have absoluely no idea.
Well off the top of my head here are a few.
antifreeze
monkey brains
monkey kidneys
aborted fetuses
aluminum (another neurotoxin)

Is that really something you willingly want to put into your body or your children's body?
Our those really healthy ingredients to be injecting into our kids?
Do they tell you this? Why don't they tell anyone what they are consenting to put into theirs or their childrens' bodies?
These pharmaceutical companies need to do the right thing and stop worrying about making a buck.
By the way the pharmaceutical companies make $2.00 per vaccine used for each child.
Then they come out with these huge campaigns to mass vaccinate children, at $2.00 a kid.
There is even a doctor who sits on the board where they decide on the current vaccine schedule, like which ones to add.
This doctor made a major (successful) push to add a new one, that he just so happens to hold the patent to.
That will just so happen to put alot of money in his pocket while protecting the world.
What a lucky coincidence for him, no conflict of interest there.
Its truly disgraceful.

 

[the simple life]

Wow! This certainly is a hot button topic! I'm sorry that it detracts from the original thread (perhaps the moderator may wish to move it to a more appropriate section).

Thought I should address your concern.
The poster that started this thread is the one that brought up the vaccine issue and you jumped in to correct,disagree with her, whatever.

She felt strongly about this, you disagreed and I saw her side of it. I don't think she thought anyone would jump in and try discount her feelings on a subject brought up in passing.Thats what happend here.

By the way there is far more data supporting the connection to vaccines and neurological disorders and someone always finds some obscure and unproven study to say otherwise.
I've read Lancet 2004 not impressed. In fact its just a regurgitated study of others. They all are. If you like I can send you alot more studies as well to show the opposite to be true.We can both do that, have you heard of the Hanah Poling case per chance? It seems that doctors clearly proved that the vaccines damaged her.
Vaccines are not a one size fits all.
It seems pretty obvious here that you are a "doctor" of some some sort "eggdoc" and probably don't know anyone injured by vaccines or since you don't believe that can happen of course you don't.

 

[Namaste Mama]

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ALL vaccines use mercury during the manufacturing process, they only do not add additional mercury at the end as a preservative, although the formalgahide, aluminum, and other yucky stuff they add is just as bad. There is no such thing as heard immunity, when those outbreaks occur with out fail most people who get sick are those with vaccines. We no longer vaccinate for small pox, its still around theres a few cases every year, yet theres never an out break. Diseases were on the decline before vaccine programs due to better health and sanitation. Sorry, don't want a fight on my hands, but its pet peave of mine when misinformation is spread about vaccines.

 

[eggdoc]

The anti-vaccine movement seems to be healthy and thriving. Against my better judgment, I will try to spread some real science here:

--herd immunity is part of everyday life. Whenever a cold or flu virus sweeps through the community, we become infected by people who are coughing/sneezing, we make antibodies, and we are protected or immunized against that strain forever. Those who didn't get infected will be susceptible to the same virus next year, etc. The same thing happens with live virus vaccines. Those who get the live virus vaccine will shed the virus, and spread the immunity to those around them.

--smallpox has been eradicated through aggressive vaccinations. Nemaste is right when she says that improvement in hygiene and sanitation are critical, but she is wrong when she says that smallpox still exists in the wild-- "yet there's never an outbreak." Smallpox exists ONLY in a few research/defense labs throughout the world. The last case occurred when a researcher contaminated the lab he was working in.

--the Hannah Poling case is truly sad. A young girl developed complications after a vaccine, and developed neurologic problems and developmental regression. It was later found that she had a genetic defect in her cells (a mitochondrial disease) that was exacerbated by the vaccine.

Yes, I am a physician--a child neurologist (Hannah Poling's father is a neurologist, BTW). My oldest brother had severe autism/mental retardation. Autism is an extremely complex, frustrating disorder. It does not lend itself to simplistic, inflexible thinking about it's cause.

This BYC site has been loads of fun and really informative for me and my 13 y/o daughter (proud parents to 13 young hens from Ideal nursery. We built the coop ourselves using plans from this site). It has helped us grow closer together, and for that I am truly grateful. I try to teach my children and my patients to acquire as much factual data as possible, from the best scientific sources, and to be skeptical of any extreme viewpoints.

Hope we can all just "get along."

 

[Namaste Mama]

I love to debate, but it never skews my views of a person, it more fun than anything, we're all friends in the end. But Doc please tell me if vaccines are so successful why oh why have the only cases of Polio in 40 years been caused by the vaccine its self? If your a neurologist as you say than surely you know the toxic effects that heavy metals such as mercury and aluminum play on the nervous system? If its so safe why don't you take this guys offer up>...http://www.vaclib.org/links/jockslinks.htm#press You could make some good money at it. As for me I put zero trust into something that someone says is for my health but they billions of dollars a year off of it.