New here! Possible problems? (Pics of the babies too)

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Hey everyone! I'm Bailee and I live in Michigan... we just got chickens for the first time and I love them so much! But we seem to be having issues.
(the red star is where I start to explain the issue, in case you want to skip the story of how we got into chickens)


I'll start from the beginning... my dad's employee (my dad is a landscaper) decided he was going to buy six Cornish Rocks from Tractor Supply and give me four in apologies for being him pretty much (he's an act first, think later kind of person, so he figured he offended me about something). Well, after some debating (we were unsure if we were ready for more pets, we have two dogs, two cats, and three rabbits), and at first, us refusing the chicks, we ended up with two of the meaties.

We had always wanted chickens, but we never really wanted meaties, we wanted chickens for the eggs. So, knowing very little about chickens (as you can see, we were thrown into it), we went and got "Red Pullets" from TSC. Turns out they're Golden Comets (I've been searching the site and such to learn more, and doing research) and from what I can tell they all seem to be hens. Those are about.. three weeks now I think? (Nettle, Teasel, Mallow, and Olive) The Cornish Rocks (Iris and Ivy) are about a week now.

Well, we decided we wanted some more and went and got three older chicks from a local farm- a Barred Rock, Dahlia (medium of the three), an Easter Egger, Lotus (smallest of the three), and an Australorp, Laurel (biggest of the three). We actually wanted ISA Browns but all of theirs were adults and we are building a coop next weekend... plus with the other chicks... we figured it was better to stick with chicks. Anyway, all of them got along easy-peasy thankfully.

We ended up going back to the farm for help when our smallest Cornish Rock, Iris started having a hard, protruding butt. We had tried some of the ways to help the poor girl that I found on this forum, but nothing worked. When we brought the chick to the man at the farm (we wanted to see if she'd be okay), he informed us that we were feeding them the lowest of the low feed (my dad's employee had given some of the bag of food he bought when he got the six Cornish Rocks) and so we bought new feed that they make there and got some probiotics for the water to get little Iris's gut moving. Slowly but surely (with the most heart-wrenching chirping), she got all the poop out in a matter of around two days completely. Her poor bum looks so sore but it's a lot better- she couldn't even lay down to sleep properly before, she'd always lay on top of the bigger chicks. (Also, after this, Nettle never got pasty butt again! *knocks on wood*)

The day we took Iris to the farm, we came home with a Rhode Island Red- Rose (my dad wanted a pretty red chicken, we came home with the wrong chicks (the Golden Comets) and he was a little upset LOL). She is even bigger than Laurel but she got along with the others so quickly! It's like they were always together- there's been no pecking issues or anything *knocks on wood*. We also got pine bedding instead of the shredded paper we were using.

*Everything was going fine and easy until I heard a sneezing noise yesterday. I am incredibly perceptive and I always pay close attention to my babies and as soon as I heard it (which is as soon as it started happening), I watched to see what chick it was and immediately became worried. Turns out, it was the bigger Cornish Rock, Ivy. She was making an occasional sneezy noise and had a rattly throat when I picked her up, almost like rocks grinding. We took her to the farm (but kept her well away from the barn with their chicks) and he said she has CRD and we caught it early. Of course, I'm completely heartbroken. We got antibiotics and have been treating it.

But now I'm wondering if this really is CRD? Ivy is not showing any other signs, though all of my chicks, even the vaccinated ones from the farm sound stuffy. The other Cornish Rock, Iris, and one of the Golden Comets is making the grinding rock noise too... but I was wondering if it was because of the pine bedding. The one we got was a bit loose, kind of like sawdust, and as soon as we changed from shredded paper to that, all the chicks picked at it and stuff, and the sneezy stuff happened about the day after we put the new bedding in (I should mention that the container we have them in is a pretty tall plastic container- for like storage, with no lid. that's pretty much the only ventilation spot). We have changed it back to the shredded paper now, and the chickies are on antibiotics (in their water), and we're hoping they improve. If not, we might just cull Ivy and Iris to spare the other chicks the trouble... :( Which I really don't want to do (even though they are meaties and will die much earlier than the others sadly).. they're the friendliest and I absolutely love them!

We're completely heartbroken over all of this, I couldn't even go to class today (I'm in college) because I couldn't stop crying and I didn't want my friend to ask about the chickies because I would start crying even more.. and that'd be way too embarrassing for me.

Not only that, I was intending to get two silkies in two weeks when they're born, but if this is really CRD, do I even want to introduce two in (they might remain on their own though because they're more for companionship than for the flock)? I was SO excited to get them, and I'm really torn up about that too (I've wanted silkies since I was a kid).

I was told the silkies COULD get along with the others, but I was thinking about having a slightly smaller coop and run across from the other chickens (they're all going to be in a run/coop, we live next to a main road and don't have a fenced in yard so that plus the fact our dogs want to eat them and we have hawks here and not much shelter... we figured it would be better), and keeping them separate because the silkies are more for myself as companion pets (as well as the fact they are more docile), not egg-layers like the others (though I absolutely adore the others and handle them as much as possible to get them friendly and used to me. Every time I approach them I coo, "Hi baby chickies! Hi chickies!")...

I intended to pick up the silkies right away, but now I'm thinking it'd be better to let them stay with the farm until they're vaccinated.. (I might have to go visit them EVERY day though..) I really really want my silkies, but I really really want these babies to be okay too. This is a lot harder than I ever imagined it would be!

Either way, I'd love to hear your thoughts... (please be kind, I'm incredibly emotional right now :/ )
(I will also let you all know if I see improvements with the changing back to the shredded paper bedding. We have newspaper under it to keep it more steady, and we do change it quite often, just for those that are worried!)



Here's some pictures!

Here are all the babies. First one is before we got Rose. Second picture is when Iris was having the pooping issue.




Here's some Rose:




Lotus:




Some of the Golden Comets:


Ivy, the Cornish Rock:



Iris (right) and Ivy (left) (the top chickie is a Golden). This was to show the size difference. Iris is catching up now but she was smaller due to the pooping-issue.


This was the meaties before the pooping issue:

Before the pooping issue, I could tell them apart because Ivy has a little spot on her beak.


Dahlia the Barred Rock:




Laurel the Australorp:


When we first got Laurel, Dahlia, and Lotus:



Anyway, that's all for now... I'm looking forward to talking to all of you! Never thought I'd become a chicken person but I always wanted a pet bird and now I'm realizing how much I love these little gals.
 
Bless your heart! I hope your ill ones get well soon...if you caught it early enough with early enough intervention, you stand a good chance of them getting well and not having any further issues...I truly wish you the best with all of them!
 
Bless your heart! I hope your ill ones get well soon...if you caught it early enough with early enough intervention, you stand a good chance of them getting well and not having any further issues...I truly wish you the best with all of them!
Thank you very much! I hope so as well. I just feel so torn because if it is a sickness for sure, I don't want to put everyone at risk...


I just went and checked on the chickies and Iris seems to be having trouble pooping again (though her butt is not swollen like before, just red and a little protruding) :(
And one of the Golden Comets made a sneezing noise a couple times, like Ivy, the "CRD chick." I mean, we've been giving them Parakeet Grit, do you know if it could have gotten in their nose?

I'm hoping for the best if you cannot tell, but I have a tendency to assume the worst.

I just don't know if it would be better to just cull or not. I love them with all my heart but I also don't want to rusk anyone else and have it affect their health and egg laying, as well as any chicks/chickens we get in the future.
 
Thank you very much! I hope so as well. I just feel so torn because if it is a sickness for sure, I don't want to put everyone at risk...


I just went and checked on the chickies and Iris seems to be having trouble pooping again (though her butt is not swollen like before, just red and a little protruding) :(
And one of the Golden Comets made a sneezing noise a couple times, like Ivy, the "CRD chick." I mean, we've been giving them Parakeet Grit, do you know if it could have gotten in their nose?

I'm hoping for the best if you cannot tell, but I have a tendency to assume the worst.

I just don't know if it would be better to just cull or not. I love them with all my heart but I also don't want to rusk anyone else and have it affect their health and egg laying, as well as any chicks/chickens we get in the future.

I hope some of the more experienced poultry folk here will weigh in on this for you. I know chickens don't get colds and sneezing is generally not a great sign, but it honestly could be anything. Our local county extension office offers free blood testing if you suspect a chick illness in progress - have you contacted yours to see if they can do that for you? It might be worth a shot. Ours will come out and take the sample, and call back 72 hours later with results. When I had one just up and die with no symptoms about a week after they were hatched, I erred on the side of caution like you and decided to have one tested to make sure it wasn't some freak illness. Turned out everyone was fine and the other one, well, just passed. Those things happen. :/

If your extension office doesn't offer that, it may be worth your peace of mind and the small fee to have a vet specialized in avian medicine come have a look at your flock. The one I worked for, for years, travels to the several surrounding counties for a $50 home visit fee, plus whatever medicine he has to administer or tests he has to run. There are some very experienced members here who are spot-on for chicken medicine advice - casportpony comes to mind - and I hope to see them take a gander at what you're describing here. Good luck and keep us posted!
 
I hope some of the more experienced poultry folk here will weigh in on this for you. I know chickens don't get colds and sneezing is generally not a great sign, but it honestly could be anything. Our local county extension office offers free blood testing if you suspect a chick illness in progress - have you contacted yours to see if they can do that for you? It might be worth a shot. Ours will come out and take the sample, and call back 72 hours later with results. When I had one just up and die with no symptoms about a week after they were hatched, I erred on the side of caution like you and decided to have one tested to make sure it wasn't some freak illness. Turned out everyone was fine and the other one, well, just passed. Those things happen. :/

If your extension office doesn't offer that, it may be worth your peace of mind and the small fee to have a vet specialized in avian medicine come have a look at your flock. The one I worked for, for years, travels to the several surrounding counties for a $50 home visit fee, plus whatever medicine he has to administer or tests he has to run. There are some very experienced members here who are spot-on for chicken medicine advice - casportpony comes to mind - and I hope to see them take a gander at what you're describing here. Good luck and keep us posted!

Yeah, after I saw Ivy sneeze, I immediately became concerned because I had heard nothing good about respiratory issues in chickens. I actually have no idea what a local county extension office is.. I've googled it and can't find any results for my county... My mom did call Michigan State University today and an avian specialist will be calling us on Monday.

I also ordered Oxine off of Amazon and it is supposed to arrive sometime next week. I was looking more through respiratory symptoms, and they really aren't showing any CRD symptoms- minus the sneezing and rattling chest. But I found "Upper Respiratory Fungal Infection" and it sounds more like what my chickies are suffering from... "Noticeable symptoms include gaping (stretching their neck forward and opening their mouth), coughing, sneezing, sniffling, 'chirping', and gasping for air. Sometimes a bird with no noticeable symptoms can be held to your ear to hear crackling, rattling, and gurgling from inside their lungs when they breathe." (from http://www.shagbarkbantams.com/page11.htm )

So the Oxine will treat that if that is what they have. Because not all of the chicks are showing signs either, and wouldn't all of them be showing signs by now? And it's not just the non-vaccinated ones not showing signs. The farm we got the vaccinated chicks from gave us Gallimycin and the chicks have been getting that in their water.

I will definitely let you all know what happens! Really wishing for the best- I love my chicks. Olive the Golden Comet always jumps on my arm and roosts there- soooo cute.
 

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