Niacin question

[ChickenCanoe]

My concern is not the niacin, it's the thiamine.

Good point.
That's the reason to choose a niacin supplement rather than a B-complex supplement.

 

[A_Fowl_Guy]

My concern is not the niacin, it's the thiamine.

The recommendation for dosing of thiamine is 100mg a day according to poultrydvm. I believe mine is 100mg per ml so spread into the water divided by duck and I should be fine. Hey look, I divided by duck! Advanced duck math!

 

[casportpony]

Good point.
That's the reason to choose a niacin supplement rather than a B-complex supplement.

That is why I am researching it. Lots of info out there and lots of it is too complicated for me, lol.

 

[casportpony]

This book has some good info:
http://avianmedicine.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/46.pdf

 

[A_Fowl_Guy]

This book has some good info:
http://avianmedicine.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/46.pdf
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And I just saved that! Thank you!

 

[casportpony]

The recommendation for dosing of thiamine is 100mg a day according to poultrydvm. I believe mine is 100mg per ml so spread into the water divided by duck and I should be fine. Hey look, I divided by duck! Advanced duck math!

And that's part of the confusion. The vet books I have say the b complex dose is usually based on the thiamine at 1-2 mg/kg, which using what we have would equal 0.009 ml per pound of body weight. That said, note that I have treated 50-gram chick with 0.1 ml and they did fine, though they only got one injection. both were treated for wry neck, and both recovered in less than two hours after getting an injection.

 

[A_Fowl_Guy]

And that's part of the confusion. The vet books I have say the b complex dose is usually based on the thiamine at 1-2 mg/kg, which using what we have would equal 0.009 ml per pound of body weight. That said, note that I have treated 50-gram chick with 0.1 ml and they did fine, though they only got one injection. For were treated for wry neck, both recovered in less than two hours after getting an injection.

It’s all really trial and error unfortunately because each duckling will react differently due to the needs of that certain duck. I know that the complex is fast acting and they all are doing fine from what I’ve observed in this past hour. I believe the slow intake over a period of time is more beneficial in the long term upkeep while the oral injection is the quickest way to treat the immediate problem.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

I believe that the reason chick starter isn't sufficient for ducklings is that they don't convert tryptophan to niacin as effectively as do chickens.
If it were me, I would use a niacin supplement only.
Perhaps even prophylactically adding human grade brewers yeast to the feed or using a niacin vitamin pill.

 

[A_Fowl_Guy]

I believe that the reason chick starter isn't sufficient for ducklings is that they don't convert tryptophan to niacin as effectively as do chickens.
If it were me, I would use a niacin supplement only.
Perhaps even prophylactically adding human grade brewers yeast to the feed or using a niacin vitamin pill.

I was using the brewers yeast for humans from Walmart but it didn’t do anything to help this one duckling. I have no immediate access to direct niacin due to being out in the boonies. Takes 45 minutes to get to Walmart and 25 minutes to get to the feed store. I’m stuck with what I got unfortunately.

 

[casportpony]

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