No visible air sac at 22 days but chirping heard

[KLAM]

Ok, I just candled again and used the candler on the incubator and can’t see much of anything and I can usually see the air sacs. First pic
Then I got out a cheap and somewhat dim handheld candler and could actually see the air sac better. Second pic

 

[KLAM]

And I couldn’t get it to chirp this time.

 

[MysteryChicken]

It looks internally pipped, & probably malpositioned.

 

[KLAM]

It looks internally pipped, & probably malpositioned.

So would you consider helping with an external pip?

 

[MysteryChicken]

So would you consider helping with an external pip?

It may help give it more air.

 

[KLAM]

Ok thanks so much

 

[KLAM]

Ok thanks so much

In case you like to know what happens:

I no longer heard chirping so I floated it again and no movement this time. So I proceded with an external pip. No visible movement in the shell and I couldn’t see the beak so I increased the size of the hole, being careful to stay in the air sac. Then I found the beak, which was malformed and it became obvious that the chick had passed. So I finished removing the shell and found that it only had the lower part of the beak and also appeared to be missing an eye. Guess it turned out for the best. I’ve never had a deformity before. Attaching a few pictures.

I also opened the other egg that was already deceased and it was malpositioned with its head between the legs.

 

[MysteryChicken]

In case you like to know what happens:

I no longer heard chirping so I floated it again and no movement this time. So I proceded with an external pip. No visible movement in the shell and I couldn’t see the beak so I increased the size of the hole, being careful to stay in the air sac. Then I found the beak, which was malformed and it became obvious that the chick had passed. So I finished removing the shell and found that it only had the lower part of the beak and also appeared to be missing an eye. Guess it turned out for the best. I’ve never had a deformity before. Attaching a few pictures.

I also opened the other egg that was already deceased and it was malpositioned with its head between the legs. View attachment 2216034View attachment 2216034View attachment 2216035View attachment 2216036

Poor peeps.
No wonder they had such problems.
How's your temperature in your incubator? It could also be due to severe inbreeding which can be devastating.

 

[TheMother]

In case you like to know what happens:

I no longer heard chirping so I floated it again and no movement this time. So I proceded with an external pip. No visible movement in the shell and I couldn’t see the beak so I increased the size of the hole, being careful to stay in the air sac. Then I found the beak, which was malformed and it became obvious that the chick had passed. So I finished removing the shell and found that it only had the lower part of the beak and also appeared to be missing an eye. Guess it turned out for the best. I’ve never had a deformity before. Attaching a few pictures.

I also opened the other egg that was already deceased and it was malpositioned with its head between the legs. View attachment 2216034View attachment 2216034View attachment 2216035View attachment 2216036

Oh wow what an informational post! Thanks for doing a follow up and for pics.
I guess my takeaway is perhaps it's best to let nature take it's course. Imagine helping it hatch and then having to figure out whether and how to keep it alive. Good amount of emotional stress avoided!

 

[KLAM]

Ok thanks so much

In case you like to know what happens:

I no longer heard chirping so I floated it again and no movement this time. So I proceded with an external pip. No visible movement in the shell and I couldn’t see the beak so I increased the size of the hole, being careful to stay in the air sac. Then I found the beak, which was malformed and it became obvious that the chick had passed. So I finished removing the shell and found that it only had the lower part of the beak and also appeared to be missing an eye. Attaching a few pictures. I also opened the other egg that was already deceased and it was malpositioned with its head between the legs.

Poor peeps.
No wonder they had such problems.
How's your temperature in your incubator? It could also be due to severe inbreeding which can be devastating.

I had someone “babysit” the incubator during the first week because I was out of town. Maybe something happened then that I’m not aware of.