Non aggressive dogs, turn aggressive.

SharkmanDan

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Okay, I'm fairly new here. Certainly new to raising chickens, and need some advice on what to do with a dog that has turned aggressive, towards the little birds.
We've been free ranging our chickens, and had been monitoring them, pretty closely, for the past week, or so. They were doing well. I even started letting the fully feathered pullets out, to do the same, yesterday. Our two little dogs (toy poodle and mini schnauzer) seemed fairly aggressive towards the smaller ones, when they were in the cages. But once they were allowed to free range, the girls left them alone. After monitoring the behavior, for a few days, pretty closely, we believed we could trust the dogs, with the chickens. Especially because the chickens were out, mostly only when the big dogs were out, and they (the big dogs. A Catahoula and an old beagle) have been totally indifferent towards the chickens, even when they weren't aware that they were being watched.
Today, was to be the last test. Let all of the fully feathered chickens, out, to free range, but keep the littler, more aggressive dogs, inside the house, as Buddy (Catahoula)and Max (beagle), had shown ZERO INCLINATION, towards them. The chickens were even getting pretty comfortable around them. I watched them pretty closely, most of the morning, and well into the afternoon. No aggression, at all. The chickens even were trusting of them, and would walk right past.
So, I sat down to watch some recorded TV shows. Not even halfway through the second one, I saw Buddy, running, with something black, in his mouth. It looked like a bird. I yelled at him, and went to put some sandals on, to go outside. Before I could get out, Lulu was already out there, and found what appeared to be all of our little chickens, laying scattered around, dead, and disemboweled. As it turned out, our 4 month old Polish, and a 4 month old Frizzle, had not yet, been gotten.
Max, the beagle, is too old, slow, and lazy, to have done any killing. And, he's been in close contact with them, showing no aggression, at all. But, he knows a free meal, when he finds it. Buddy, on the other hand, gave a short chase after one, the first day they were let out, but after being scolded, he never showed another iota, of aggression towards them. He's also been quite pleasantly disinterested. But, he's fast, and fleet of foot. And, he's shown some aggression, however minute, in the past. It's not difficult to figure out, who did what.
So, both boys are under house arrest, right now, with dead birds tied to them, and them, tied to the chicken coop.
In the end, we lost 9, two month old pullets, one black Frizzle, about 4 months old, and two gold laced Polish pullets, about 3 months old, and a three month old Bronze Turkey, who was very loving and trusting.
I am both sad, and ****** off right now.
Is there a sure fire way to fix this? The birds are partly here, for the dogs' benefit, as we have a serious tick issue. And they get to eat some of the eggs, when we feed them to the dogs.
How to I handle this? This morning, the dogs seem to have consumed the chickens I tied to them, as I had been told would help to train them.
 
I would suggest you get a good book on dog training, such as one by Cesar Milan. Hand training dogs to be around chickens takes the same kind of patience and time that any dog training takes. Keep the dog on a leash, elicit the desired behavior, reward it, all the time keeping a calm, quiet manner toward the dog. It was a few months before I would turn my back on my dogs. Even then, I knew that their hunting instinct could break through without warning -- athough they both lived several more years and never did harm a chicken after that. Tying a dead bird around a dog's neck certainly doesn't teach it anything.
 
Sorry, but I disagree...once a dog has a "taste" for chickens it never goes away....never. With that being said, if it were me I would definitely separate the two at all times. Either put your chickens in a chicken run or do not allow your dogs outside when you free-range. For myself I am not a believer in free-ranging, mostly because of predators ranging from dogs to coyotes...I will not take the chance of losing my chickens because "free-ranging is the natural way" ...so sorry for all your losses....your decision.
 
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Our situation REQUIRES that we free range, the territory that the dogs have, to run, is too large to treat with pesticides, and the ticks are just awful.
I was concerned about the same thing, that once they get the taste, it never going away. You can't throw a steak in front of a carnivore, and expect it to not be eaten. I guess the dogs will have to be enclosed, when the birds are out.
 
Sorry, but I disagree...once a dog has a "taste" for chickens it never goes away....never. With that being said, if it were me I would definitely separate the two at all times. Either put your chickens in a chicken run or do not allow your dogs outside when you free-range. For myself I am not a believer in free-ranging, mostly because of predators ranging from dogs to coyotes...I will not take the chance of losing my chickens because "free-ranging is the natural way" ...so sorry for all your losses....your decision.
"Always" and "never" are pretty strong words. One of the two dogs we trained had caught a chicken during the early part of the training (definitely due to owner error.)

I do agree that a dog can never be trusted absolutely, though. We felt it was worth it, to have the free range opportunity and take a chance that some quirk, or perhaps an illness or injury, or something we might never identify, might trigger the dog's urge to hunt/catch prey one day. We don't have those dogs any more, we have two others that we haven't even tried to train to be around chickens, and the chickens are in a fenced yard at all times. At least one of them would no doubt kill a chicken in a heartbeat.
 
I don't think tying a dead chicken around a dog's neck is such a good idea. Doesn't really communicate anything useful to the dog. In your case the dogs seem to have taken it as a further reward. I agree with those who are suggesting that a complete separation is necessary now. Chickens in run, or if chickens out, dogs in crate or house. Sorry.
 
Never trust a dog alone with chickens, I'm sure there's always an exception, but in my world I just don't do it...
 
Too many dogs at once during training phase. To get up to such numbers for me requires years where a new dog is brought in only after next youngest is trained.


Dogs can still be trained after killing but for practical reasons having dogs and chickens released at separate times is prudent. Still work on getting dogs not to be a threat but work with smaller numbers at a time.
 
In a perfect world, that's a great idea. We've had our dogs, for 7+ years. We moved here, partly because we had a small property in CA, and wanted our dogs to have room to play, like dogs should. We got moved into our new place, late last fall, and winter was setting in. No ticks. As spring, sprung forth, the tick issue became a real issue for the dogs. So, in looking for ways to get the ticks under control, we found the solution in birds. Since we love eggs, we thought lots of chickens would be the best way to go.
Then, the ticks REALLY exploded, and we realized that Guineas were what we needed. But, by this time, had chickens we were attached to. So, the birds are here, primarily for the dogs' benefit, secondarily, for egg production. I'm sure not going to get rid of the dogs, and after all of the money spent on coops, runs and pens, plus becoming attached to the birds, we just have to figure out a way to co-habitate them. As best I can figure, it looks like keeping them segregated, will be best.
 
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Still train dogs. I have had large numbers as well and time will present situations where mixing occurs and better to have dogs that are not as problematic. Those dogs can also help keep losses to predators down.
 

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