North Carolina

[crazyhen]

Sigh! mine are kept in nice surroundings too. What are we doing or not doing thats wrong.?????

 

[ramirezframing]

Mother Nature

 

[Regin]

I would swear that the fermented food makes a lot of difference in the health of my chickens. It requires a good bit of work. If that's not something you can do try the active vinegar in the water or yogurt. as a treat.

 

[Hollowoakfarm]

Well, after sitting back and whining, I had to point out to myself rhat the MG from 2012 is carried by wild birds. Nothing I can do about that. And fowl pox is both contact and mosquito borne, and is also in wild birds. Not much to do about that, either. So neither of these is related to care or conditions within my control.

I have looked at fermented food, but have not found supporting research. Same on vinegar. I would be interested in seeing some research on them.

 

[InvertedKitty]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/07/make-raw-apple-cider-vinegar-acv-with.html?m=1

some gateway reading on ACV.

 

[Regin]

ACV use in humans AND animals has been well documented. Fermented food like yogurt has been shown as well to be beneficial. I don't think you can prove any of it without any doubts.

Can you see the wind? But you know it exists by the effects.

 

[jtbass2756]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/07/make-raw-apple-cider-vinegar-acv-with.html?m=1

some gateway reading on ACV.

Thanks, I'll be reading it after church..

 

[Hollowoakfarm]

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/07/make-raw-apple-cider-vinegar-acv-with.html?m=1

some gateway reading on ACV.

There's plenty of anecdotal support for it. But research I have Not found.

 

[Hollowoakfarm]

ACV use in humans AND animals has been well documented. Fermented food like yogurt has been shown as well to be beneficial. I don't think you can prove any of it without any doubts.

Can you see the wind? But you know it exists by the effects.

Effects can be documented. But without a control, and proper techniques, you don't know what is causing the effect. If you saw the bushes moving outside your window, you wouldn't know if it was the wind, or a kid pulling on it. It would need verification.

Since I'm a biologist, I know the value of research. And I know the danger of anecdotal "evidence". And certainly practical application can provide some support, but I can not invest my very well-stretched time and effort into something without real research. Just can't justify it.

 

[InvertedKitty]

Agreed. I found that it is a lot if rhetoric, then again a lot of natural remedies tend to be. (Of course I say this but I prefer the use of natural remedies for myself over otc as I tend to have less side effects)