Not an Emergency...Marek's in the Flock

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Thank you so much for the replies. I got my chicks all from My Pet Chicken Or Meyer Hatchery. This year was the first time I did not. A local breeder that is NPIP Certified. They said they were vaccinated, but it was those chicks that started this whole thing. I know many other people that have gotten chicks from them, and their flock is fine. I will have my EE tested for sure. Can you buy this certain vaccine from Murray mc Murray? Do I just ride this out with my existing flock, or if it does come back as Mareks do I cull and start over? Suggestions?
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mags2009 said:
Thank you so much for the replies. I got my chicks all from My Pet Chicken Or Meyer Hatchery. This year was the first time I did not. A local breeder that is NPIP Certified. They said they were vaccinated, but it was those chicks that started this whole thing. I know many other people that have gotten chicks from them, and their flock is fine. I will have my EE tested for sure. Can you buy this certain vaccine from Murray mc Murray? Do I just ride this out with my existing flock, or if it does come back as Mareks do I cull and start over? Suggestions?
Thanks
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Marek's has no rules. I have not seen drooling , I think, but I know when my wasting hen puts her head down to pick up food, she has fluid come out her mouth.

I really don't believe anyone who says they've vaccinated for Marek's, and some thing NPIP has something to do with it but it doesn't. The only ones who did really well were my vaccinated hatchery chicks.

The chicks may or may not have been vaccinated. But they sure as heck were exposed. It doesn't make any difference really if you cull or not. The virus will remain on your property.
 
As Seminole has said, it'll be there on your property, but for the most part it is anyways. I don't believe there could be anyplace on this earth where it isn't found. If this is the case, then how do some birds not succumb and others do? I believe it is strictly a genetics issue. I've seen people here who have culled and gone on to have no other problems even though they didn't replace with vaccinated birds. Wouldn't have been my first choice, but there ya go. Others have tried the same thing and some even bringing in all new vaccinated birds and have still lost their second and sometimes even the third flock. So what's the answer? Cull and wait another year before starting again? Keep the birds you have and hope for the best? To me, the idea of culling a flock isn't a viable option. I would much rather keep the ones who survive the outbreak and know they have resistance to the virus. Breed them and get more birds that are even more resistant. Marek's is still here as could be seen by my poor girl that died recently, yet before she was picked on, she was thriving. This girl was from my first control group of unvaccinated birds from the survivors of the outbreak here.

I will tell you this, it isn't fun either route you take. I know what it's like to stand there and choose who lives and who goes. It leaves you with a sick feeling inside that takes a long time to heal. Yeah, yeah...they're only chickens. Chickens that were put into my care. On the other hand, if you decide to keep them, the process isn't without it's own heartbreak. Some will be fine and never show symptoms, some will slowly fade away as you watch helplessly. Some may even have episodes of paralysis off and on through out their lives, as do a couple of mine. This is where the Super B Complex comes into play. I am looking into the Turmeric as well, to see if it might be a player too. It certainly can't hurt as it's loaded with vitamins, but it also may just be a weapon against the internal spread of the disease. Turmeric acts as a blood cleanser, simplified, and it work on both the red and white systems. Marek's lives in the spine during it's lifetime and is released into the body during times of stress from illness or physical means. What would happen if the system were given a boost to clean itself?

Just food for thought.
 
Haunted55 said:
As Seminole has said, it'll be there on your property, but for the most part it is anyways. I don't believe there could be anyplace on this earth where it isn't found. If this is the case, then how do some birds not succumb and others do? I believe it is strictly a genetics issue. I've seen people here who have culled and gone on to have no other problems even though they didn't replace with vaccinated birds. Wouldn't have been my first choice, but there ya go. Others have tried the same thing and some even bringing in all new vaccinated birds and have still lost their second and sometimes even the third flock. So what's the answer? Cull and wait another year before starting again? Keep the birds you have and hope for the best? To me, the idea of culling a flock isn't a viable option. I would much rather keep the ones who survive the outbreak and know they have resistance to the virus. Breed them and get more birds that are even more resistant. Marek's is still here as could be seen by my poor girl that died recently, yet before she was picked on, she was thriving. This girl was from my first control group of unvaccinated birds from the survivors of the outbreak here.

I will tell you this, it isn't fun either route you take. I know what it's like to stand there and choose who lives and who goes. It leaves you with a sick feeling inside that takes a long time to heal. Yeah, yeah...they're only chickens. Chickens that were put into my care. On the other hand, if you decide to keep them, the process isn't without it's own heartbreak. Some will be fine and never show symptoms, some will slowly fade away as you watch helplessly. Some may even have episodes of paralysis off and on through out their lives, as do a couple of mine. This is where the Super B Complex comes into play. I am looking into the Turmeric as well, to see if it might be a player too. It certainly can't hurt as it's loaded with vitamins, but it also may just be a weapon against the internal spread of the disease. Turmeric acts as a blood cleanser, simplified, and it work on both the red and white systems. Marek's lives in the spine during it's lifetime and is released into the body during times of stress from illness or physical means. What would happen if the system were given a boost to clean itself?

Just food for thought.
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AMEN, Sista!!!

I did the skinny check tonight. In my Polish hen Coop: My 5 older Polish are good. 2 of my first vaccinated are good (Polish). 1 vaccinated hen is wasting and was moved a month ago. 3 hens , vaccinated, are real skinny. They are all molting and I hope that's it.

In my main LF coop, 8 older hens are good-unvaccinated, and 1 is skinny out of 3 vaccinated. I'll wait and see with her. I wonder if I should separate the skinny Polish out? They are in that darn shed that I can only spray 1/2 of.

Or, what chicken or poultry feed is the highest in fat?

They're only chickens they say? How bout it's only your dog or only your cat. Did it make a difference if the dog or cat was free? A free dog or a free cat is worth more that a $1 chicken? My parent had a (breed) of dog that I feel had no brains, I didn't see any real attachment from the dog, but they loved her so much, she was hand fed and spoiled. Her butt was wiped. (Gag) And when she died , didn't my parents cry! I know they were attached to her, but I think that some of my chickens are more attached to me than that dust rag thing they called a dog. Now don't jump on me for calling the dog a dumb dustrag. My parents always referred to her as *my sister*. My real sister and I used to be rolling on the floor laughing about what we said we would do to that dog if we could.
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New subject. What if HIV was spread by skin cells instead of body fluids? What % dies of AIDS, and what % lives with HIV exposure, and nothing ever happens? Only they can spread it.
There is no cure for HIV. You can spread it. You can live your life with no problem with HIV exposure.. Or you can advance to AIDS. There's no way to tell which people will progress to AIDS. It's hit and miss just like Marek's. The only way to Not get it is to never be exposed. AND there is no vaccine for HIV.
 
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Update: the hen I found a couple of days ago can no longer walk at all. I really am okay with it, just wanted to share with you how fast they can deteriorate.

-Kathy
 
seminolewind said:
AMEN, Sista!!!

I did the skinny check tonight. In my Polish hen Coop: My 5 older Polish are good. 2 of my first vaccinated are good (Polish). 1 vaccinated hen is wasting and was moved a month ago. 3 hens , vaccinated, are real skinny. They are all molting and I hope that's it.

In my main LF coop, 8 older hens are good-unvaccinated, and 1 is skinny out of 3 vaccinated. I'll wait and see with her. I wonder if I should separate the skinny Polish out? They are in that darn shed that I can only spray 1/2 of.

Or, what chicken or poultry feed is the highest in fat?

They're only chickens they say? How bout it's only your dog or only your cat. Did it make a difference if the dog or cat was free? A free dog or a free cat is worth more that a $1 chicken? My parent had a (breed) of dog that I feel had no brains, I didn't see any real attachment from the dog, but they loved her so much, she was hand fed and spoiled. Her butt was wiped. (Gag) And when she died , didn't my parents cry! I know they were attached to her, but I think that some of my chickens are more attached to me than that dust rag thing they called a dog. Now don't jump on me for calling the dog a dumb dustrag. My parents always referred to her as *my sister*. My real sister and I used to be rolling on the floor laughing about what we said we would do to that dog if we could.
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New subject. What if HIV was spread by skin cells instead of body fluids? What % dies of AIDS, and what % lives with HIV exposure, and nothing ever happens? Only they can spread it.
There is no cure for HIV. You can spread it. You can live your life with no problem with HIV exposure.. Or you can advance to AIDS. There's no way to tell which people will progress to AIDS. It's hit and miss just like Marek's. The only way to Not get it is to never be exposed. AND there is no vaccine for HIV.
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Seminole, get some sardines in water with no added salt. Trust me, it works wonders! The only feed I know of with a high protein level is a game bird or a 20% starter feed. There is "Farmer's Helper" which I think is up around 28%, if I remember correctly, but kinda pricey to use as a feed long term.

I know a lot of you have heard me preach about the FloraGen3 capsules, but again, I swear by them! If the gut is normal, so is the system, even with Marek's. Try 'em, you'll like 'em, lol.
 
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Something I should have added to the above posting, the feed manufacturers have taken most if not all of the animal protein out of the feeds they make. Great! We are taking an omnivor and making them a vegetarian. Chickens have as wide a diet as we do. We eat fish, so do they if they can get it, we eat red meat, they will too if they come across the odd frog or mouse. Chickens need the animal protein to survive and flourish they way they were intended to. Mealworms, crickets, cooked shredded beef. Anything that will give them that little bit extra in their diets. I have been know to take some of the home rendered lard I have, heating it to melt, cooling it a bit and then drizzling that over some of their pellets. Ummmm, they kinda like it, lol and their feathers and skin look amazing.
 
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