Not an Emergency...Marek's in the Flock

[seminolewind]

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The "knowledgeable" people at the barn, including the blacksmith, were blowing her off saying she has bad feet and it's rained more frequently. After a few months of this, she asked me for advice. I said the current plan is not working, we should make a new plan. The blacksmith just kept nailing the shoe back on that mess. I told her the hooves need to be treated without nails (a few really good methods are available). The horse's heels , blacksmith said , were non existent, and he needs to grow them out. Nonsense. The horse's heels were so long that they folded over and the horse has been walking on them like that. He finally glued the shoes on. Of course they came off. Then the horse had no shoes, in pain , she would not let you pick up a foot and put the weight on the other. No one did a thing.

I had promised to put this stuff on the horse's soles while she was away. I told her at this time that I was not touching her horse if she was in pain. The barn manager told me I don't know what I'm talking about and should not be advising "her client". That's when I decided to leave. Bunch of people doing nothing, now jumping to get the vet, the blacksmith, dry ground, and pain killers. But I was the bad guy, and that "friend" should have stuck up for me.

The horse had no hoof to stand on. Blacksmith kept smacking the shoes back on. Horse walking on folded over heels. Like if your high heels bent over and you walked with them that way. Poor diet .

Blacksmiths have epoxies available to rebuild walls they can nail to. The horse needed a good trim. You can't grow cr@p, it's preventing the horse from growing healthy hoof. The horse needs xrays to know if her coffin bones had sunk because they had no hoof to hold on to. And some support underneath to prevent it from happening. Also the hooves had "flares" where the hoof walls had separated from the lamina . That needs to be trimmed off. It's not holding anything except dirt, and will continue to pull the wall away.

Kathy , your picture shows the bones lined up relatively straight. Her horse, since the heels are folded over, has the heels lower creating distortion in that straight line. Which will cause damage to those parts labeled on the back of the leg. Now, if I know all this with studying hoof work for the last 6 years, why is a professional with 25 years experience letting this happen?

 

[seminolewind]

This is just my opinion, but I would not ever use the powder or recommend it after all of the discussion for the past week. I have never had an outbreak, but I have a small bottle of liquid on my shelf, and I would medicate using the maximum dose of 2 tsp per gallon of water. Unless the feed store doesn't carry the small bottle of liquid (which they should for chicken people, I just can't see the point of buying the powder.

Why not powder?

 

[seminolewind]

I'd be happier if it looked more like this;

Or this:

You are smart enough to know what a foot should look like! Are these your horses? If so, hold on to that farrier! Class A job. This is not just a "slap on a shoe job" The nails are lined up. He using some preventative measures such as the shoe set back a bit to improve breakover. He didn't short shoe, shoe goes past the end of the hoof heel (on bottom). Has a bit of a wedge to keep the alignment of the bones correct. And finished the hooves nicely.

See how bad things can get if no one cared?

 

[casportpony]

Why not powder?

There were a couple of threads about dosing amounts and what is and isn't correct. For me it's much easier to calculate liquid, so I've done that, the recommended dose for a severe outbreak is 2 teaspoons or 9.5ml and for moderate outbreaks it 1/2 that, which is what's on the Corid picture.

There are 960mg of amprolium in 2 teaspoons (912mg in 9.5ml) of Corid or Amprol, now I need to figure out how many teaspoons have that same amount, but the math is hard for me.

-Kathy

 

[seminolewind]

This is what he's been nailing to.

 

[casportpony]

You are smart enough to know what a foot should look like! Are these your horses? If so, hold on to that farrier! Class A job. This is not just a "slap on a shoe job" The nails are lined up. He using some preventative measures such as the shoe set back a bit to improve breakover. He didn't short shoe, shoe goes past the end of the hoof heel (on bottom). Has a bit of a wedge to keep the alignment of the bones correct. And finished the hooves nicely.

See how bad things can get if no one cared?

No, not my horses, just some of the things I look for in a properly finished hoof... Sure wish I could shoe like that, but I never got very good at shaping shoes, so when shoes are needed, I have to call the farrier, otherwise I do the trims.

-Kathy

 

[seminolewind]

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I read that the powder is 1 tsp per gallon treatment, 1/2 tsp per gallon preventative. I know, a lot of contradicting info with these meds

 

[casportpony]

Wow, that's way past my ability, but it looks like k-rap to me... I haven't see the horse, but if it were mine, I'd want to work on getting the angles up and the quarter/toe flare off. I have a pony that's foundered, so I've been practicing backing her toe up and it amazed me how much I could take off. So much has changed since I did the class, now there are glue-ons, but I'm not sure they would work on this horse. How many times has the shoer done this horse? I'll cut him some slack if it's just once, but he ought to be shot if it's been more than that, lol.

-Kathy

 

[seminolewind]

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I did my own trims ending 4 years ago, then it was trimming between problematic farriers. I guess I just got tired of doing it. And being ridiculed for it by people who think I'm clueless. My worst day would be better than the stuff I put up with. In Sept I go to a farrier school for a 2 week anatomy/trimming course, also to reapply a shoe that comes off.

 

[seminolewind]

Wow, that's way past my ability, but it looks like k-rap to me... I haven't see the horse, but if it were mine, I'd want to work on getting the angles up and the quarter/toe flare off. I have a pony that's foundered, so I've been practicing backing her toe up and it amazed me how much I could take off. So much has changed since I did the class, now there are glue-ons, but I'm not sure they would work on this horse. How many times has the shoer done this horse? I'll cut him some slack if it's just once, but he ought to be shot if it's been more than that, lol.

-Kathy

A year, so load your gun. Yea, horse needs a balanced trim, and go from there. It's way past my ability too. So I had printed off all this advice from farriers on a web forum that I've belonged to for 6 years.