Not-surgical treatment of quail bumblefoot?

Roomi the quail

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Hello, I didn't think it will come to posting this thread but my quail's feet issue is growing into something serious.

I went to the vet a week ago to treat her vomitting, runny poop, and weight loss. It turned out that she was infested with parasites. I and the vet saw that her footpads were slightly red, but made no big deal of it. I came back with prescribed antibiotics and anti parasites. That's day 1.

On day 3, my quail preferred to sit on the blanket more than usual and stood on the left foot. Her right foot was kind of warm to the touch but both her feet looked worse than day 1, so I rinsed the area with alcohol and applied human antibiotic salve. I repeated this process once a day, for 3 days in a row. The feet looked better and she was walking normal. I changed the bedding(shavings) to disposable animal pad to soften the floor.

Day 6, when I woke up, she was practically dying. She wouldn't open her eyes, won't eat. I forced a few drops of polyaid and hydrated her. I thought it was a heat stroke and put her feet in cold water, and thankfully she went to almost normal in hours, eating and moving fine.

On day 7 I went to the vet and discovered that the underside of her feet were red and almost raw. The vet prescribed an ointment and told me to expect progress within a week but frankly there is nothing to do much otherwise because she is already on antibiotics. It's an overall immune system, rather than just her feet, failing.

Today is day 10 and her feet made no progress although her parasite problem seems to get better. I sprinkled some extra antibiotic powder on her ointment this evening, against my better judgement. I am yet to see how it works.

I heard that treatment of serious cases of bumblefoot does not normally take up to a week. My quail, however, is slowly but definitely growing worse despite treatments. Is there anything I am doing wrong? Am I overdosing her with antibiotics? Should I do something more? The picture was taken yesterday.

P.s. the vet was skeptic on alcohol, soaking, or surgical methods, so I didn't want to go that way but please enlighten me if they are better options.

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Wow, poor little thing has been through a lot.

How bad is the bumblefoot?

This picture is hard to see, but it shows the grades of bumblefoot. I can't see any black spot on her feet in the picture. This seems to indicate she may be grade 1, but you've seen it in person so you'd know better how bad it is.
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Here's a description of the grades.

Grade 1: Loss of definition of the epidermis (seen as a shiny, reddened surface or small lesion), with no apparent underlying infection.

Grade 2: Infection of underlying tissues in direct contact with the surface lesion with no gross swelling.

Grade 3: Abscess state; infection with serous or caseous fluid draining from a fibrotic lesion.

Grade 4: Infection with swelling of underlying tissues involving deep vital structures. Usually a chronic wound at this stage, which may or may not be concurrently causing tenosynovitis, arthritis, and/or osteomyelitis.

Grade 5: Crippling deformity and loss of function.

Here's some links that could be helpful (they are for chickens though)
http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/bumblefoot
https://www.tillysnest.com/2015/12/non-surgical-bumblefoot-treatment-html/
https://poultrykeeper.com/external-problems/bumblefoot/

I'm no expert, but I'm happy to help as much as I can.

I hope she gets better soon :fl
 
Wow, poor little thing has been through a lot.

How bad is the bumblefoot?

This picture is hard to see, but it shows the grades of bumblefoot. I can't see any black spot on her feet in the picture. This seems to indicate she may be grade 1, but you've seen it in person so you'd know better how bad it is.
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Here's a description of the grades.

Grade 1: Loss of definition of the epidermis (seen as a shiny, reddened surface or small lesion), with no apparent underlying infection.

Grade 2: Infection of underlying tissues in direct contact with the surface lesion with no gross swelling.

Grade 3: Abscess state; infection with serous or caseous fluid draining from a fibrotic lesion.

Grade 4: Infection with swelling of underlying tissues involving deep vital structures. Usually a chronic wound at this stage, which may or may not be concurrently causing tenosynovitis, arthritis, and/or osteomyelitis.

Grade 5: Crippling deformity and loss of function.

Here's some links that could be helpful (they are for chickens though)
http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/bumblefoot
https://www.tillysnest.com/2015/12/non-surgical-bumblefoot-treatment-html/
https://poultrykeeper.com/external-problems/bumblefoot/

I'm no expert, but I'm happy to help as much as I can.

I hope she gets better soon :fl
Thank you so much for your concern. I think she is grade one going on grade two. The problem is that lesions seems to be everywhere from toes, little joint pads, webs between toes, to heels. It's not typical black spot on on the heel side, though that's where it's most apparent. I think I can see a whitish core forming in her right heel pad through reddish transparent skin. Most treatments include soaking the core out, but we didn't get to that stage yet, though I will consult the vet about bandaging. She loves scratching the floor so much, and I cringe every time I hear her feet rubbing off the floor and the rim of her food bowl. I have to make the bandage survive that somehow.
 
It's a week into the bumblefoot treatment and it's not getting better/worse. If anything, slight 'cores' in her bumble are more discernable, so I think it's leaning on the 'worse' side. I have been applying the ointment liberally on her feet twice or three times a day, changed her bedding to disposable pet pads, and even padded her food bowl rim because she scratches vigorously at it when she eats. At least the wounds are not swelling/smelling/warm to the touch...
 

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You caught it super early—good job! I'm treating basically half my flock right now...would not recommend :rolleyes:

If you haven't tried it already, you might look into Tricide-Neo powder. It's an ulcer dip for koi fish, but it seems to be does something positive for my girls. Triple antibiotic won't hurt, either. Hope she improves soon!
 
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You caught it super early—good job! I'm treating basically half my flock right now...would not recommend

If you haven't tried it already, you might look into Tricide-Neo powder. It's an ulcer dip for koi fish, but it seems to be does something positive for my girls. Triple antibiotic won't hurt, either. Hope she improves soon!
Tricide neo seems to be the thing lately, and I might turn to that in a week if the vet's ointment doesn't work. I have oxymicin powder, whoch is supposed to be a similar thing to neomycin so the dosage and everything would have to be the same. I just can't imagine what my quail's going to think of me when I try to soak her feet for minutes and rub medicine into her footpads. She already hates me enough...:(
 
:hmm
Tricide neo seems to be the thing lately, and I might turn to that in a week if the vet's ointment doesn't work. I have oxymicin powder, whoch is supposed to be a similar thing to neomycin so the dosage and everything would have to be the same. I just can't imagine what my quail's going to think of me when I try to soak her feet for minutes and rub medicine into her footpads. She already hates me enough...:(

Do you know the name of the drug the vet gave you? I'd be interested in whether or not it's actually an antibiotic.
 
My suggestion would be try a paper bedding like carefresh or boxo, unscented or put a towel down, maybe something they put in the pad for odor or absorption doesn’t agree with her.
 
My suggestion would be try a paper bedding like carefresh or boxo, unscented or put a towel down, maybe something they put in the pad for odor or absorption doesn’t agree with her.
Oh I didn't think of absorption really, I am going to flip the pad to the other side so the plastic side contacts her feet and see if she doesn't slip on it.
 

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