NPIP Testing.

[deerman]

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Being NPIP you are still allowed visitor on your property I been npip for years and still have people come by all the time to look and buy birds. I don't allow any one inside my pens. I know alot of npip breeders that allows visitor.

Oh okay I was thinking that was pretty extreme, glad to know you can have visitors.

Oh yes I let people over to see the birds, but like Doug said just not in the pens. The big danger would be carry on shoes, from other bird pens. Most people understand.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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Oh okay I was thinking that was pretty extreme, glad to know you can have visitors.

Oh yes I let people over to see the birds, but like Doug said just not in the pens. The big danger would be carry on shoes, from other bird pens. Most people understand.

well, yall may want to read up on the NPIP rules, technically, after NPIP certification you are supposed to run a fully closed facility, period, no visitors.

Go to their website and read their rules on it. Doesnt mean not in the pens, closed means closed. They were very adamant about that when I spoke with them on it.

I to love the "shopping around " thing, and enjoy having folks over to show the birds and talk to but yes, according to their rules and all, your NPIP home based facility is supposed to 100% closed to the public. Like Doug and Deerman said, the major risk comes from shoes and walking around, not going in the pens doesnt cover it, they will be walking right beside them, and your feet too can pick up diseases they rubbed off on the ground, now you walk into your pens to feed up, and you just second hand carried their bugs into your pens. This isnt me talking, this is the state poultry labs explanation of why it has to be this way.

The hole point of the NPIP program is bio security in your certified flock. I mean, they dont want you going to other places too, their rules even show how you are supposed to sterilise your vehicle after coming back from the feed store. Why, because other poultry people go to the feed store, their thinking is your tires can pick up mess off their tires and then bring it to your farm, so yes, they are VERY extreme. If they dont want your tires coming in contact with a spot where others with birds have driven, you can bet they arent going to allow you to have poultry visitors. But like I said, dont take my word for it, go to the USDA APHIS website, it's all right there on the NPIP pages.


This doesnt mean you cant have your normal home guest, but as for bird folks coming to specifically got to see the birds, on paper, no they DO NOT ALLOW that, period. Chances are you'll never get caught, but if you do, they will revoke your certification . It's all on their website, the rules and such

 

[DMFarm]

Aubrey maybe you need to go back and read here is a link to the code of federal regulations for being npip these are the guidelines to follow
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...1.0.1.7.62;idno=9;cc=ecfr#9:1.0.1.7.62.1.82.7
There is no where on these rules that say you got to have a 100% close facility to be npip. What you are reading about Learn about Biosecurity for Birds is not manitory to be npip.

 

[kuntrygirl]

I'm going to ask the inspector when he comes out to my house for testing on next Thursday. I'l let you all know what he says.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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okay, I hope that's it, I agree, I dont like not being able to have folks over either

The GA Lab was who told me no on it. They said it was in accordance to the first section of provisions which say you have to operate in accordance to their sanitation and bio security guide lines which are located in chapter 147 subpart C
Think it says something to the extent of
keep yourself clean, wash your boots, sanitise everything etc etc , and visitors SHOULD not be admitted to the facility or grounds in which they are kept, basically out of all poultry areas.

Then theres several other sections (in the 147 's) pertaining to other tests they do, like the mycoplasmas and Avian Influenza's, where they additionally say, NO visitors should be admitted to control the spread of the diseases in previously tested flocks. This may be the sections you were saying arent manditory. But this section is referred to from the front of the book in the manditory parts as a guide for your sanitaion practices, so I'm not sure how they would interpret that

In their text, it does use the word SHOULD, instead of MAY NOT, so I guess it's all in how your guy interprets these legal writings, I hate them, wish they would just put stuff in plain English where everyone could easily see what they are getting at, but they like to leave stuff in there with loop holes so it can be interpreted to their best need.


But anyway, that's how my state lab interpreted it to me, as you can not allow visitors on you flock grounds, did see s provision in one section today as I was reading threw this blame 200 page book from them where it said, no non participating poultry keepers should be admitted to your flock areas, so to me, that says if you are also NPIP tested, you should be able to come see me. Who knows, legal type is so hard to draw a easy conclusion on one section will say one thing, then the next can often controdict it.


Hope what you say there is right Doug.
But I can see the logic in them not wanting you too, they are bird folks that are coming to see you after all, who knows what they are tracking around. Afterall, you cant buy birds that arent from NPIP breeders after certification, so really, why would they want non participating breeders on your property, basically is the same risk, biosecurity wise.

I did PM my tester about it today just to recheck, he's a member on here too and just lives down the road a bit. Will see what he says soon, hopefully will be in agreeance with you Doug!!!