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@Beer can I know we've talked about the JGs before here, but I can't seem to remember... I'm trying to figure out a way to hatch and pasture meat birds, but hatching eggs for Cornish Xs are more expensive than getting chicks, and I've read that they don't reproduce well if you raise them up. You've complimented the JGs. So, how much do they dress out to when you butcher them? How old are they when you get the most bang for your buck? Do they forage well?
Last year I let all the flocks free range together, so I hatched a lot of mixed breeds. I had a Black JG and Blue Copper Marans roosters doing most of the "work". My hens were different colors of marans, a couple of easter eggers, black JG, coronation sussex, cochins, and an assortment of others. I tried to hatch just the marans and easter egger eggs and filled in a few blank spots with the biggest most perfect eggs from everyone else. I managed to finish another small coop and pen, so when they were grown out enough to go outdoors I separated them into pullet and cockerel pens. The pullets were big and beautiful; sold all of them for $15 a piece last fall and this spring to folks who were thrilled with them. This is 4-6 months old and out with Flopsy the legbar rooster.



The cockerels grew quickly and were at processing weight at between 6-8 months. I started out with 12 and am down to 6 without processing any yet because people who came to buy pullets were so taken with them that they kept buying them. Just saying that the JG and marans crosses make a lovely meat bird that has good size and grows moderately quickly. The ones I did last year were from 4-6 pounds. Doesn't sound like much, but the meat is so dense and rich you don't have to eat as much to feel full. One would give me 4-5 meals as a single person.

The JG cockerel I processed last year was a year old and huge. He was the scrawny one
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Sorry I didn't weigh him; he was about twice the size of the other cockerels. Mr. Black (the winner of the breeding ottery) is 2 years old now. Probably not SOP, but a huge friendly fella. Worth keeping for his sweet personality and making meat cross birds. His pullets are no slouch for egg laying, either.



JGs are not fully mature until 2 years old, but you can get a nice carcass at a year if you want to cull then. They grow up for the first year and out the second year. That's the beauty of the crosses. They retain some of that bulk while they grow faster. The marans/JG and sussex/marans or sussex/JG were the stockiest.
 
I have mixed birds with Orpington, Rock, EE, and some other mix.  They grow well and seem to be a good combo.  I was considering adding cornish to the mix like @Devona
's Chick, but I'm not confident in the idea yet.  If my SIL ends up with a hen in her group of meat chicks I may ask her for it.
I was going to try the same. Raise out a couple X with my egg breeds and see if I can get a faster growing something that still is sustainable. We should keep tabs on each others projects and learn from each other. Heck the best inventions happen by accident.
 
Last year I let all the flocks free range together, so I hatched a lot of mixed breeds. I had a Black JG and Blue Copper Marans roosters doing most of the "work". My hens were different colors of marans, a couple of easter eggers, black JG, coronation sussex, cochins, and an assortment of others. I tried to hatch just the marans and easter egger eggs and filled in a few blank spots with the biggest most perfect eggs from everyone else. I managed to finish another small coop and pen, so when they were grown out enough to go outdoors I separated them into pullet and cockerel pens. The pullets were big and beautiful; sold all of them for $15 a piece last fall and this spring to folks who were thrilled with them. This is 4-6 months old and out with Flopsy the legbar rooster.



The cockerels grew quickly and were at processing weight at between 6-8 months. I started out with 12 and am down to 6 without processing any yet because people who came to buy pullets were so taken with them that they kept buying them. Just saying that the JG and marans crosses make a lovely meat bird that has good size and grows moderately quickly. The ones I did last year were from 4-6 pounds. Doesn't sound like much, but the meat is so dense and rich you don't have to eat as much to feel full. One would give me 4-5 meals as a single person.

The JG cockerel I processed last year was a year old and huge. He was the scrawny one
lau.gif
Sorry I didn't weigh him; he was about twice the size of the other cockerels. Mr. Black (the winner of the breeding ottery) is 2 years old now. Probably not SOP, but a huge friendly fella. Worth keeping for his sweet personality and making meat cross birds. His pullets are no slouch for egg laying, either.



JGs are not fully mature until 2 years old, but you can get a nice carcass at a year if you want to cull then. They grow up for the first year and out the second year. That's the beauty of the crosses. They retain some of that bulk while they grow faster. The marans/JG and sussex/marans or sussex/JG were the stockiest.
Thank you! I processed some Marans and some Orpington mixed birds at 4-5 months old. The meat was delicious, but not a lot there - 3 lbs max. If I could increase the bulk at the 5 month mark I'd be happy to keep up the process. 4 lbs/bird after 5-6 months would mean I could keep a steady supply in a pasture that are hatched each month. Say, hatch February through May, pasture from April through November, process August through November. If I do one batch each month then I could end up with a dozen to process each month (depending on hatches) from August through November. That would keep us fed most of the year.
So much to figure out...
 
@tao chick @Chicken girl 15
I wouldn't recommend Jersey Giant's unless you don't mind the long time to fill out $$. They grow huge, frame first. Are more a large roasting chicken, don't make good young fryers. I love them, they free range excellent not scared of nothing, and very calm. Even if ranged with other breeds the others are pretty safe. My giant rooster is so big, runs like a slow moving dinosaur, other cockerels out run him easily.
I don't recommend crossing a cornish X, to many variables, never know what you'll get, too much in the mix. Hard to get them to breeding age without dying, some have luck getting a few pullets to lay eggs.
I know several people using dark cornish for crossing to add better carcasses. Naked necks make good meat birds, they don't put energy into making feathers. Some cross them with dark cornish. Same with heritage white rocks, good meat qualities on their own, some cross with dark cornish.
If I was to make a recommendation, I would suggest good German New Hampshire's or good breeder quality Delaware's, both fast to feather and grow out on their own and the two crossed dominated the broiler industry before cornishX came out.
I want a faster growing breed to offset the cost of these giants, I was hoping the red sussex I got free from SandHill would fit the bill. They grew fast but never really filled out like they are supposed to. So I'm not going to use them.
I will be in Florida the end of the month. I got in contact with Eight acres farm in Gainesville Fl (they have a website and some awesome breeds, hatching eggs and chicks) I will be picking up a dozen+ German New Hampshire hatching eggs on our way back, debating Delaware also.
Whatever you do I wouldn't recommend hatchery stock if your looking for meat qualities.
Although the guy I know that loves the NN DC cross gets them from Cackle. He's raising white Chantecler's and dark cornish from Cackle right now and they look nice. They are sold out on the DC's for the yr though.
 
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Other breeds are good too. I hear good wyondottes make good meaties. Barred rock, if the come from a good line (eight acres farm has them) Delaware's came from 'sports' of crosses of barred rock rooster over new hampshire hens used in the broiler industry, some came out with the 'columbian' color pattern and were bred to develop the Delaware. New Hampshire's were Rhode Island Reds that were bred for meat qualities, fast feathering and quicker growth for many generations and ended up taking on a different shape and color. NHs about died out after cornishX took over, people quit working with them for meat, hatchery NH are not what they once were. After WWII the US sent Germany our good NHs cause they ate every single chicken they had. The Germans continued to work with them, and someone imported some of their stock back to the US. The German lines are more representative of what our NH was before cornishX took over.
Australorps CAN make good meaties and layers, if they come from a good line. I hear 'RattlesnakeRidgeWV' on BYC has some real good ones in black, blue and splash (I didn't even know they came in blue and splash!).
Keep in mind good lines might be $$ but you only have to buy once, even if you only start with a good breeding trio, your set.

Edit; cause I realized I had the origin of the Delaware wrong (too much chicken info in me head Lol!)
 
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@tao chick @Chicken girl 15
I wouldn't recommend Jersey Giant's unless you don't mind the long time to fill out $$. They grow huge, frame first. Are more a large roasting chicken, don't make good young fryers. I love them, they free range excellent not scared of nothing, and very calm. Even if ranged with other breeds the others are pretty safe. My giant rooster is so big, runs like a slow moving dinosaur, other cockerels out run him easily.
I don't recommend crossing a cornish X, to many variables, never know what you'll get, too much in the mix. Hard to get them to breeding age without dying, some have luck getting a few pullets to lay eggs.
I know several people using dark cornish for crossing to add better carcasses. Naked necks make good meat birds, they don't put energy into making feathers. Some cross them with dark cornish. Same with heritage white rocks, good meat qualities on their own, some cross with dark cornish.
If I was to make a recommendation, I would suggest good German New Hampshire's or good breeder quality Delaware's, both fast to feather and grow out on their own and the two crossed dominated the broiler industry before cornishX came out.
I want a faster growing breed to offset the cost of these giants, I was hoping the red sussex I got free from SandHill would fit the bill. They grew fast but never really filled out like they are supposed to. So I'm not going to use them.
I will be in Florida the end of the month. I got in contact with Eight acres farm in Gainesville Fl (they have a website and some awesome breeds, hatching eggs and chicks) I will be picking up a dozen+ German New Hampshire hatching eggs on our way back, debating Delaware also.
Whatever you do I wouldn't recommend hatchery stock if your looking for meat qualities.
Although the guy I know that loves the NN DC cross gets them from Cackle. He's raising white Chantecler's and dark cornish from Cackle right now and they look nice. They are sold out on the DC's for the yr though.

Both the NH and the Dels look good. I'm not excited about NN but your point about energy toward feathers is a good one. @rancher recommends the Delawares too, I think. It sounds like the giants are similar to the brahmas I had.
 
@tao chick PhoredaBurds has caponed. It's my plan with these white giant's, keeping mostly cockerels for capons. I haven't tried it yet though. Capons grow bigger, better, faster, cheaper, tastier, and cause no problems, don't even crow.
 

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