Occupy movement - I'm in the 100%

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

Besides, the article about OWSers "complaining" about "unwanteds" was one very small piece of one moment in time. It is a large unfocused movement with many elements which is admittedly already having trouble with people coming and behaving in contrary to their stated aims. For example a man showed up at one camp carrying a semi-automatic weapon. He said he was not in agreement with the protestors but was planning on protecting their right to protest. The protesters begged him to leave.

For military personnel who say they know how to obey orders please go to the websites of the OATHKEEPERS - see their rule about what orders they will not follow and understand why they are behaving as they are - and Occupy Marines.

Look, if a man with a gun threatens me I may find out what his goal is and seek to negotiate with him. If a psychotic person aims a weapon at me there is no discussion - he is simply very dangerous. Currently this is a very unfocused group covering all walks of life that has wonderful idealistic completely unrealistic ideas. That are as unrealistic as those of the Tea Party. Now, it is being joined by military personnel who are swearing to be non-violent. But, some police departments are hiring Xe to supplement their forces and some private companies are paying public police departments to protect specifically them.

Shelf your pre conceived ideas for just a few moments back out of your world view and take a look around. The gathering forces cannot be ignored. If you don't agree you should at the very least consider getting involved enough to try to steer. Sneering at what is happening will not make it go away.

 

[Royd]

I have WHAT in my yard? :

Besides, the article about OWSers "complaining" about "unwanteds" was one very small piece of one moment in time. It is a large unfocused movement with many elements which is admittedly already having trouble with people coming and behaving in contrary to their stated aims. For example a man showed up at one camp carrying a semi-automatic weapon. He said he was not in agreement with the protestors but was planning on protecting their right to protest. The protesters begged him to leave.

For military personnel who say they know how to obey orders please go to the websites of the OATHKEEPERS - see their rule about what orders they will not follow and understand why they are behaving as they are - and Occupy Marines.

Look, if a man with a gun threatens me I may find out what his goal is and seek to negotiate with him. If a psychotic person aims a weapon at me there is no discussion - he is simply very dangerous. Currently this is a very unfocused group covering all walks of life that has wonderful idealistic completely unrealistic ideas. That are as unrealistic as those of the Tea Party. Now, it is being joined by military personnel who are swearing to be non-violent. But, some police departments are hiring Xe to supplement their forces and some private companies are paying public police departments to protect specifically them.

Shelf your pre conceived ideas for just a few moments back out of your world view and take a look around. The gathering forces cannot be ignored. If you don't agree you should at the very least consider getting involved enough to try to steer. Sneering at what is happening will not make it go away.

A group with no leadership is nothing but a mob. I read their point of view document, which was linked, earlier. Outside of the first 9 articles, of which I agree with, to some degree, and which seem to be taken from the Libertarian handbook, I.E. Ron Paul, the rest are nothing but a bunch of I, I, Me, Me points of view.... Forgiving student loans? I guess institutions of higher learning are just supposed to be altruistic arbittors of knowledge....Now, here's an irony; The very professors who teach and instigate this type of action, would be the first to scream foul, if they were forced out of their comfortable little tenured world.

And yes, as a whole, they are a bunch of brats. What kind of people go into some small business establishment, use all the bathroom supplies, without recompense and leave, then, turn around and tell someone else that they can't have any of the high quality food, which they are consuming? It's as hypocritical as legislators who force the public into some law, but give themselves an exemption.

BTW. Just how many microcosms do we need to see, before we realize that is all we are seeing?​

 

[caspernc]

A group with no leadership is nothing but a mob. I read their point of view document, which was linked, earlier. Outside of the first 9 articles, of which I agree with, to some degree, and which seem to be taken from the Libertarian handbook, I.E. Ron Paul, the rest are nothing but a bunch of I, I, Me, Me points of view.... Forgiving student loans? I guess institutions of higher learning are just supposed to be altruistic arbittors of knowledge....Now, here's an irony; The very professors who teach and instigate this type of action, would be the first to scream foul, if they were forced out of their comfortable little tenured world.

And yes, as a whole, they are a bunch of brats. What kind of people go into some small business establishment, use all the bathroom supplies, without recompense and leave, then, turn around and tell someone else that they can't have any of the high quality food, which they are consuming? It's as hypocritical as legislators who force the public into some law, but give themselves an exemption.

BTW. Just how many microcosms do we need to see, before we realize that is all we are seeing?

Thats what I see here.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ

I seem to recall conversations that go something like this about many events that happen within the US:
"People are unhappy"
"Well, then the whiny bums should actually do something about it"
"Huh, they are doing something about it"
"They need to just be quiet, they have no right to do anything."

Hm.

 

[chickened]

Obama announced today that he wants to lower the rate of payback of fed college loans from the 15% to 10% of thier income which in reality means there is no incentive for a college grad to make any real wages which in turn allows them to make minimum wage not using thier education for anything more than posting in forums. The payment for a student making minimum wage would be $141.00 a month to pay back about $100,000.00 Any wonder the college age protesters have time to protest?
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Here's the sweet irony of the whole thing. The environmental movement, some of which, I am sure, are mixed into the Occupy movement, demanded that we don't do anything to harm or change the environment, in any way. The oil, coal, and gas industries have been harmed financially and logistically, because of that.
What is the end result of that? Fewer jobs....Fewer high paying jobs, which these deadbeat college students, claim to target.

Higher priced fuel, driven by the old concept of supply and demand. Fewer people moving on the streets, and fewer people with truly discretionary money, due to just having enough to drive to the job.

Nobody buying flavored beewax candles and patchouli incense. And yes, I'm an old hippie.

Until the Greenies and their coopted legislators get off their high horse, and face facts, this economy is going to be a snowball headed downhill, instead of a rising tide, which lifts all boats.

 

[chickened]

Our presidents' brother.

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I enjoyed reading that. So true. Some people need to take a trip to South Africa and see the one room "houses" made of corrugated aluminum and insulated with old newspapers to truly understand what poverty is. It seems some people in this country need to reassess what they consider a "want" versus a "need."
http://the53.tumblr.com/

 

[chickened]

Politically you may have a point but here in Portland the pota-potties are over full and running down 3rd avenue, the garbage is piling up and the homeless are flocking to the event for free food and something to do. Tea Party was not doing these things, totally different class of people.

I have WHAT in my yard? :

Snark if you like, but you might be better off taking a good look not only at what they are saying but what they do actually share with the tea party. Stop looking at this as a liberal conservative issue. Those labels are irrelevant.

BOTH groups think corporations have gotten too much power and that the government is no longer working for the people. The Tea partiers tend to want to shrink the government and the OWSers want the government to reign in the corporations. There are common themes. The problem is that both are effectively weakening the government. So, The tea partiers can just sit back and watch while the OWSers do what the tea party has said they wanted all along.

But, I'd be very careful what you wish for, either of you. If you weaken the government you'll get free range global corporations and plutocracy like you've never seen before.​

 

[chickened]

I have a job, a family, hobbies and a home to take care of, how in the world can anyone find time to protest that is in a similar situation as me and the other 90% of the people supposedly working? It kills me to see parents(???) bring thier families/kids to these events.

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

Royd did you read the OATHKEEPERS list? Sure doesn't sound like it. You highlighted it.


Many, many of the people protesting have jobs and families, they feel this is important enough to take time out to do.

As for college professors, well lets just say - most of us don't have and will never see the tenured life.

 

[Capvin]

I will apologize in advance....but I can not resist. We have now gone from the ridiculous to the sublime. The new headline according to Chickened:

COLLEGE GRADS ONLY WANT MINIMUM WAGE JOBS SO THEY CAN REDUCE THEIR STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS.


HUH???? Does that really make any sense to anyone?