Ok to sell birds with Dq's

[Illia]

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There are also Rosecomb RIR, and probably something else I am forgetting.

ri whites

Rhode Island Whites are a very separate breed.

 

[NYREDS]

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There are also Rosecomb RIR, and probably something else I am forgetting.

ri whites

Rhode Island Whites are not a variety of Rhode Island Reds. They're a completely different breed.
IMO if you're advertising something as a"Heritage Breed" it sholud be a good example of that breed not a cull. I sell quality birds for $20, my culls go to an auction where they bring a couple of bucks each. To my mind selling culls for $15 each & representing them as "Heritage" is pretty low. Of course you do have to find someone stupid enough to buy them.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I can sell cull birds (crosses, mutts, pure, whatever) to a specific feed/pet store for $6 each; They sell them for $12-$20. Not likely to find a show bird in the place.

 

[gjensen]

I don't think that selling birds by the breed name with disqualifications is ethical. Especially using the terms "Heritage" and such. The terms are misleading. Real disqualifictions would be characteristics not representative of the breed, or signs of poor breeding. A better option would be Rhode based red layers etc. Labeling them the way you have would be like selling an antique car and claiming all of the numbers match, but in fact it has a different transmission/engine from the original.
I am not saying that you are a criminal, or something silly like that. Just consider the label, and how it might be percieved. After someone finds out better, they very likely will be unhappy once they learn otherwise. Someone that wants a pretty and healthy red layer will still be interested if they are marketed as such.
In summary my opinion is feel free to sell them, but use terms that would not mislead some.

 

[chickendales]

at end of day there there just chickens

 

[extraordinaryfowl]

Ask what price YOU want, and if you have any perspective buyers who are interested show them plenty of pictures and fully inform them about not being show quality. The rest is up to them, whether they want to spend what you are asking or not. You might negotiate a compromise between the two of you too. A lot of people just want chickens for eggs or pets. Those people probably don't care whether they are dq's or not.

 

[call ducks]

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Why Heritage is Much much more then how they look. It's how the "function" It incompasses more then how a bird looks. It's egg laying abiltys it's meat quiltys.

I guess no one has worked with a rare breed yet?? And no Rhode Island Reds are not rare. After all chickens are only live stock. Unless they lay, unless they have good qauilty meet theres no point of having a chicken look good.

I have a great friend that is bring back the light sussex. She has raised something like 600 chicks from 4 different breedings. And she well not use Aus. Sussex... beacuse "they are more like cochins then sussex"

I think heritage seems to only be assicoted with "show quaility" Heritage is more then Just how many points a chicken racks up at a show.... Not saying theres no point to a APA standered. But try breeding a chicken with nothing to go by.... Other then your eyes and a scale

As i do with one of my breeds.

 

[zzGypsy]

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ri whites

Rhode Island Whites are not a variety of Rhode Island Reds. They're a completely different breed.
IMO if you're advertising something as a"Heritage Breed" it sholud be a good example of that breed not a cull. I sell quality birds for $20, my culls go to an auction where they bring a couple of bucks each. To my mind selling culls for $15 each & representing them as "Heritage" is pretty low. Of course you do have to find someone stupid enough to buy them.

Heritage breeds are heritage breeds... mule footed hogs are a heritage breed, regardless of the atributes of an individual, if it's a Mule Footed Hog, it's a a hertiage breed hog.

if they have cloven hooves instead of mule-feet, it's an undesirable trait *for those breeding to better the breed*... and of no consequence at all to those raising it for bacon. just because it has a flaw doesn't mean it's not a Heritage Breed, nor does that make it unethical to advertise it as one.

when a buyer contacts you, and asks questions, speak the truth. if they're buying for show, and ask if these are show quality birds, say what you know about their show-ability. if they're buying for breakfast production, tell them how they lay.

BTW, a DQ implies birds who have been disqualified in competition. these birds can't have disqualifications unless they've been in competition. they may have undesirable qualities based on the SOP, but there's a reason competitions are not conducted by photos randomly selected off craigslist. unless you're showing these birds, and have actually HAD disqualifications, your birds don't have DQs. they may have traits that could cause DQs ... IF they were shown... but unless you're advertising them as show-quality, it's not relevant.

if you're selling them for a specific purpose and they have traits that can impact thier purpose - for instance make them poor layers - then that's appropriate to put in your ad.

otherwise, what does it matter if they might not win at shows?

I have chickens for eggs and entertainment, not for show. some quality that some self-proclaimed judge says is a DQ based on a photo of my chickens is really not significant to how they lay, or how funny they are. that some unknown person has made an unsolicited observation on their perfection would not have made me choose other chickens.

truth in advertising is appropriate, but so advertising what's relevant.

if RIR is considered a hertiage breed, and they're RIRs, then advertising them as a heritage breed is perfectly appropriate. since they're not showbirds, and you're not advertising them as such, I think you're all good.

can't see why you'd even mention that some unknown person claiming to be a judge says they've got DQs when they've never been in competition. as for not sell them? um, nope. sell them if you like, just answer any questions honestly. it's not like they're going to spread disease, or pass on genes that make for chicks with painful and incurable deformities. say what they are, and sell them.

JM <slightly indignant> O.

 

[call ducks]

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Rhode Island Whites are not a variety of Rhode Island Reds. They're a completely different breed.
IMO if you're advertising something as a"Heritage Breed" it sholud be a good example of that breed not a cull. I sell quality birds for $20, my culls go to an auction where they bring a couple of bucks each. To my mind selling culls for $15 each & representing them as "Heritage" is pretty low. Of course you do have to find someone stupid enough to buy them.

Heritage breeds are heritage breeds... mule footed hogs are a heritage breed, regardless of the atributes of an individual, if it's a Mule Footed Hog, it's a a hertiage breed hog.

if they have cloven hooves instead of mule-feet, it's an undesirable trait *for those breeding to better the breed*... and of no consequence at all to those raising it for bacon. just because it has a flaw doesn't mean it's not a Heritage Breed, nor does that make it unethical to advertise it as one.

when a buyer contacts you, and asks questions, speak the truth. if they're buying for show, and ask if these are show quality birds, say what you know about their show-ability. if they're buying for breakfast production, tell them how they lay.

BTW, a DQ implies birds who have been disqualified in competition. these birds can't have disqualifications unless they've been in competition. they may have undesirable qualities based on the SOP, but there's a reason competitions are not conducted by photos randomly selected off craigslist. unless you're showing these birds, and have actually HAD disqualifications, your birds don't have DQs. they may have traits that could cause DQs ... IF they were shown... but unless you're advertising them as show-quality, it's not relevant.

if you're selling them for a specific purpose and they have traits that can impact thier purpose - for instance make them poor layers - then that's appropriate to put in your ad.

otherwise, what does it matter if they might not win at shows?

I have chickens for eggs and entertainment, not for show. some quality that some self-proclaimed judge says is a DQ based on a photo of my chickens is really not significant to how they lay, or how funny they are. that some unknown person has made an unsolicited observation on their perfection would not have made me choose other chickens.

truth in advertising is appropriate, but so advertising what's relevant.

if RIR is considered a hertiage breed, and they're RIRs, then advertising them as a heritage breed is perfectly appropriate. since they're not showbirds, and you're not advertising them as such, I think you're all good.

can't see why you'd even mention that some unknown person claiming to be a judge says they've got DQs when they've never been in competition. as for not sell them? um, nope. sell them if you like, just answer any questions honestly. it's not like they're going to spread disease, or pass on genes that make for chicks with painful and incurable deformities. say what they are, and sell them.

JM <slightly indignant> O.

See the thing is he is a very known judge and i know that for a fact.

 

[gjensen]

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Why Heritage is Much much more then how they look. It's how the "function" It incompasses more then how a bird looks. It's egg laying abiltys it's meat quiltys.

I guess no one has worked with a rare breed yet?? And no Rhode Island Reds are not rare. After all chickens are only live stock. Unless they lay, unless they have good qauilty meet theres no point of having a chicken look good.

I have a great friend that is bring back the light sussex. She has raised something like 600 chicks from 4 different breedings. And she well not use Aus. Sussex... beacuse "they are more like cochins then sussex"

I think heritage seems to only be assicoted with "show quaility" Heritage is more then Just how many points a chicken racks up at a show.... Not saying theres no point to a APA standered. But try breeding a chicken with nothing to go by.... Other then your eyes and a scale

As i do with one of my breeds.

You are preaching to the choir concerning the usefulness of our fowl. People are like pendelums, swinging from one extreme to the other. My point (just an opinion that was asked for), is how many percieve the terms. I didn't even attempt to give an opinion on what I personally think of the terms. That is another debate altogether.
The usefulness of our stock was not part of the question that was asked. Since you bring it up though, I am no fan of exagerrated traits like excessive fluff etc. I believe there may come a time when we will question the practicality of keeping our birds. The more useful strains or breeds may come out on top. That being said I will not be dependent on the commercial industry as to aquiring stock on a regular basis. I prefer pure breeds.
I want my cake and to enjoy eating it to. Many of our breeds can be bred for the show pen AND be productive. I would guess that originally many at the shows were bringing birds from the farm. There just might be a few still doing it today. I find most enthusiasts of a breed are drawn by the total package, not just for looks. Breeds have unseen and seen traits. Personally I like New Hampshires. I like that they mature fast, are meaty at a young age, AND lay well. It just helps that good examples are beautiful. Poor examples are underweight, and are just run of the mill red birds. Many supposed NHs look an awful like "production reds". Are production reds, RIRs? No. Some have leghornes in their backgound, and or New Hampshires. The "lightened" the bird up, and bred it to reach POL faster. They are lighter in color and weight than RIRs. They aren't even shaped like a RIR. RIRs are the foundation of the type, but not an equivelant.
My original point was to make an effort to communicate what you have. Most view "Heritage" as authentic or original. I would be disaponted if I thought I was getting an old time RIR and didn't. I never said that there was anything wrong with having Rhodes that were not. I do not like either extreme. I like a balance and want both.