Old and Rare Breeds

I appreciate the responses to what I wrote, yet I don't think that they address what I wrote. I, of course, was not wrting to say that I think we should all raise the same six breeds--we raise La Fleche, White Dorking, and RC Anconas--I'm hardly a conformist or a follower. I left the doorway wide open to a hugh array of fowl. I'm just pointing out that the situation for large fowl of quality is pretty dire and that concerted efforts may be the only hope. How are we going to breed new colors of quality fowl, if quality fowl in the base colors aren't available?

I recognize that all areas are different, and I can really only speak to the North East. Nevertheless, here, we are running out of time. Bantams are strong in number, but large fowl are dwindling fast. A quick list right off hand:

Australorps
Hamburgs: SS and Black:
Buff Cochins
Leghorns: White and Dark Brown
RIR, both SC and RC
Rocks: Barred, White
Wyandottes: SL, Buff, Columbian, White
Orpingtons: Buff and Black
Campines: Golden
Polish: WC BLK
Minorca: SC BLK
Brahma: Light
Chanteclers: White
La Fleche
Ancona: RC
Dorking: White, Red, SG
OEG LF: a few varieties
NH
Houdan
Lakenvelder
Dominique
Salmon Faverolles
Black Langshan
BLK Ameraucana
BC Marans

Provided I might have missed a handfull, i.e. those who don't show for whatever reason, but this is more or less it. Furthermore, several are held by one breeder only. I can't think of a single breed and variety with more than three breeders--for the entire region. The quality ranges from fair to excellent. The quality of the breeding structure infrastructures also varies. As a regional snap-shot, this is pretty dismal. So, although I'm a "screaming liberal let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya type", I'm making the assertion that we really need to consider our efforts as a community. I do so also assuming that it's not going to happen and that the above are going to dwindle. So, for a liberal I'm pretty conservative when making future predictions

Consider this real-time scenario, there is a gal in the area who was all excited to be part of preserving a heritage breed and this spring she purchased a trio of Lemon Cuckoo Orpingtons, having been told that these fowl were, indeed, heritage, which, of course, they are not. How disappointed she was, with plans of attending shows, to learn that she has nothing but a yard full of someone's personal experiment. Given, these are traps into which a beginner can fall, but lemon cuckoo Orpingtons were not procured from a hatchery with "generally accepted" false advertising. This was a "breeder" making a buck on someone's ignorance. More than swindling her financially, what a waste of precious time. Also, now she's stuck with these birds, trying to figure out how to cut her losses, moreover she can't show them. Time will tell whether she's going to take the chance in getting involved any further in the hobby, and heritage fowl may have lot a potential friend. There are two people with non-hatchery Orpingtons in the area that make themselves public, meaning they show up at shows and participate in the APA regional communty. The Black Orpingtons are OK, and the Buff Orpington are pretty darn good--one breeder each. Both of those breeding programs could have been bolstered with another person involved. Now that person is stuck with a mess that's going no where.

Ultimately, the clear fact that we are all individuals with inherent human dignity, worthy of personal choice and the ability to forge our own path (cue Kumbaya), what I'm putting forth is that the current state of traditional fowls may be such that they need a community of peeps to back 'em hard-core, especially in the original varieties that made the development of fad colors possible in the first place. That, although human dignity and individuality will persist, our heritage fowl may not. Shoring up our efforts might have some value.
 
Yellow House, my post did not have anything to do with yours, except that I mentioned that you made a good point. I went on to make my own for reasons other than your post. I apologize for not making that clear.
 
Yellow House, my post did not have anything to do with yours, except that I mentioned that you made a good point. I went on to make my own for reasons other than your post. I apologize for not making that clear.

Awesome, I hope, though, that my second point didn't sound annoyed. I wish for all of the "smiley" faces they have they could also have "tone" buttons so that everyone knew you weren't annoyed or what have you....In short, no apologies necessary. It's all just part of our communal on0going thought process.
 
Awesome, I hope, though, that my second point didn't sound annoyed. I wish for all of the "smiley" faces they have they could also have "tone" buttons so that everyone knew you weren't annoyed or what have you....In short, no apologies necessary. It's all just part of our communal on0going thought process.
No, I think your second point is something we can all agree on (other than I would rearrange your list,lol).

I also agree that that it is difficult to have a feel for where someone might be coming from. We cannot see any disarming fascial expressions etc. We have this problem at work, with emails. We call them computer wars and computer muscles. It is always different when you are discussing a topic in person. It helps to know that person. I for one, am a poor communicator.
 
Great post, what do you mean by Historically significant varieties?
Taking a crazy walk out on a limb (
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), but I think the problem with Rocks, Wyandottes, Leghorns, Dorkings, Orpingtons, Marans, Hamburgs, Polish, Cochins, is that they exist in way too many varieties for their own good. One fad of color leads to another, and now we have the proverbial divided kingdoms that cannot stand. There's the old adage that "if you're doing more than two or three things, you're not doing anything." It's what's great with Andalusians, Australorps, Redcaps, Buttercups, La Fleche, and Dominques. If you're working on them, then you're working on them. Considering RIRs and Anconas, there are two varieties separated by comb alone, which could be interbred in a pinch and proper combs could be drawn out over a few seasons, while type and color would never need falter. Some breeds have variety, but they're at that limit that additions would be unfortunate, i.e. Brahmas and Jersey Giants.

The reality with so many of these breeds with multiple varieties is that they are redundant, but each color has a breed it calls home, i.e. Blue in Andalusians. We even refer to it as Andalusian blue. Reducing of varieties wouldn't make color genes disappear; indeed, I think it would strengthen them. I think that the general quality in stock would improve and the actual manifestations of the given color pattern would strengthen because more people could exchange stock.

Imagine if the original variety of a breed were focused on with, perhaps--but not necessarily, one or two historically significant varieities:

Dorkings: Whites, Silver Greys, Reds
Leghorns: Whites, Light and Dark Browns
Minorcas: Keep it black, SC and RC
Rocks: Barred, White, maybe Partridge.
Orpingtons: Black, Buff, White
Wyandottes: Silver Laced, Golden Laced, White

It might seem a bit Draconian, but I think that on the other side, we'd see better and better birds.
 
I recognize that all areas are different, and I can really only speak to the North East. Nevertheless, here, we are running out of time. Bantams are strong in number, but large fowl are dwindling fast. A quick list right off hand:

Australorps
Hamburgs: SS and Black:
Buff Cochins
Leghorns: White and Dark Brown
RIR, both SC and RC
Rocks: Barred, White
Wyandottes: SL, Buff, Columbian, White
Orpingtons: Buff and Black
Campines: Golden
Polish: WC BLK
Minorca: SC BLK
Brahma: Light
Chanteclers: White
La Fleche
Ancona: RC
Dorking: White, Red, SG
OEG LF: a few varieties
NH
Houdan
Lakenvelder
Dominique
Salmon Faverolles
Black Langshan
BLK Ameraucana
BC Marans

Just to clarify, this was a list of large fowl I know to be available in the Northeast and not a list of breeds I thought singularly "worthy"
 
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