Old Fashioned Broody Hen Hatch A Long and Informational Thread

So here's my first issue. I've been told that a first time broody shouldn't have more than 6-8 eggs to hatch out, regardless of how many she can probably cover. Does that number also apply to grafted chicks, or can she likely take care of more? If more, how many should I try (she's about 6.3 lbs, with very good brooding instincts)? Also, I have a Brinsea Ecoglow brooder that I was planning on putting beside the hen to cover chicks that overflowed out from under her. Does anyone think that will work, or is that just headed for disaster? Should I just limit the number of chicks under the broody to a specific number and put the extras in a brooder with the Ecoglow, or put the Ecoglow beside her with all 16 chicks, or just let her try to brood all 16 without any electrical heating assistance? Also, I have a heat mat with thermostat that I use for seed propagation, and have used it extensively to provide heat under the floor of my brooder when I've brooded chicks myself. It really helps keep the chicks from getting chilled if they venture away from the overhead heat sources. Would that have any place in this situation, or would it just make the broody too hot and uncomfortable? Sorry, worried moms have poor judgment, and I just need some second opinions.

I would use the ecoglow as a backup just as you said you wanted to use it. Put it in the area, but not necessarily right next to her, just close by. You should be able to tell within a day or two after she leaves the nest if she's able to handle that many chicks. I think the bigger issue with so many chicks is not keeping them all warm (it is summer after all) but being able to keep track of them and protect them from other birds and predators (if you have any). You've raised a lot of chicks this year, so you know how active they get and so many will make it so that momma will inevitably lose one or two in the shuffle. I've noticed in the past that some say that momma will leave the larger group to protect one and then the larger group gets in trouble. But, if you have everything controlled (i.e. a separate space for her with her monsters) they will probably be fine. I know being in Washington that you have lousy weather most of the time, and I'm sure you have plans for the chicks and mommas when the weather is bad. So, that is what I would do but keeping in mind that the ecoglow might cause some of the chicks to just give up their space under her since they have another source of warmth and may need to be brooded by you if necessary. But let us know how it goes, it should be interesting.


I have brooded Brahmas under a really nasty mix momma. Brahmas are very docile and the nasty mix was just plain nasty, evil and a bird that I would NEVER want any babies from. They Brahmas stayed sweet, but as soon as she indicated that she was through brooding them, I took them away from her and handled them for a few days before letting them go back to join the rest of the flock. As large as they were at 6 weeks they didn't have any trouble assimilating back into the flock. Since you free range, I would guess that you could do the same thing and the RDs will not have any problems getting back into the swing of things.

I only know what I've read here, no personal experience with grafting chicks so early in the brood. I would base my decision on how many of the day 8 eggs actually hatch. If a bunch of them do, then I would put them under her a week early and see what happens. Since right now you only have 5 eggs to put in the bator this week, those 5 should they all hatch (and guessing from your luck with the Langshans you may only have 3 hatch) you would only have a few to take care of in the brooder rather than a bigger batch. Another though, have you considered putting one or two of the eggs under her to allow her to hatch them out? Seems to me that she would be more likely to accept chicks that hatched under her rather than to try to graft them. Then, if she accepts the two that hatch under her, you can graft the rest that hatch in the incubator onto her knowing that she is accepting chicks. After all, chickens can't count, can they?

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My hen was laying on some eggs for almost 21 days. Unfortunately, other hens went in her box, messed it up, got poop all over the eggs and nest box. We had to throw away some eggs but there were four clean eggs. We moved her into her own coop and nest box. Now, my question is, we do not know how old these eggs are. They look like chicks are in them. Will she keep laying until they hatch even though it's been 25 days already? She is perfectly content to sit on them, she eats, drinks and runs in the run. How long should she be allowed to sit on them?

Hey there - I just went out to check on my broody and found that she had pooped on one of the eggs. I saw that you threw out the eggs that were pooped on at your place. When I bought the eggs from the breeder, she said that if they get pooped on to clean them quickly and get them back under Betty, so that's what I just did. Is it toast? We're on day 16, if that matters....anyone know?
 
Hey there - I just went out to check on my broody and found that she had pooped on one of the eggs. I saw that you threw out the eggs that were pooped on at your place. When I bought the eggs from the breeder, she said that if they get pooped on to clean them quickly and get them back under Betty, so that's what I just did. Is it toast? We're on day 16, if that matters....anyone know?
It should be fine. I don't clean mine before putting them in the incubator. Most of the time they are pretty clean, but every now and then I get a poopy one. It is unusual for the broody to poop on an egg, usually it is another hen trying to lay an egg or encroaching that causes the poop. Anyway, hope it goes well.
 
Hope I can still come to this thread to say hello and show off my little assisted hatch chick. He ( I think he is a roo) is a week and a half old and doing well! His friend is a silkie mix (so I was told) He is feathering fast!


His name is Kristoff Sven (after having to watch "Frozen" for the 100th time :)

I am suspecting his little friend is an EE.



She looks like a girl, so we named her Linda.

I love coming here to look at all the cute little chicks that have hatched from the broodies, as well as reading the stories. Good night and good luck to those with hatching eggs!
 
I would use the ecoglow as a backup just as you said you wanted to use it. Put it in the area, but not necessarily right next to her, just close by. You should be able to tell within a day or two after she leaves the nest if she's able to handle that many chicks. I think the bigger issue with so many chicks is not keeping them all warm (it is summer after all) but being able to keep track of them and protect them from other birds and predators (if you have any). You've raised a lot of chicks this year, so you know how active they get and so many will make it so that momma will inevitably lose one or two in the shuffle. I've noticed in the past that some say that momma will leave the larger group to protect one and then the larger group gets in trouble. But, if you have everything controlled (i.e. a separate space for her with her monsters) they will probably be fine. I know being in Washington that you have lousy weather most of the time, and I'm sure you have plans for the chicks and mommas when the weather is bad. So, that is what I would do but keeping in mind that the ecoglow might cause some of the chicks to just give up their space under her since they have another source of warmth and may need to be brooded by you if necessary. But let us know how it goes, it should be interesting.


I have brooded Brahmas under a really nasty mix momma. Brahmas are very docile and the nasty mix was just plain nasty, evil and a bird that I would NEVER want any babies from. They Brahmas stayed sweet, but as soon as she indicated that she was through brooding them, I took them away from her and handled them for a few days before letting them go back to join the rest of the flock. As large as they were at 6 weeks they didn't have any trouble assimilating back into the flock. Since you free range, I would guess that you could do the same thing and the RDs will not have any problems getting back into the swing of things.
I only know what I've read here, no personal experience with grafting chicks so early in the brood. I would base my decision on how many of the day 8 eggs actually hatch. If a bunch of them do, then I would put them under her a week early and see what happens. Since right now you only have 5 eggs to put in the bator this week, those 5 should they all hatch (and guessing from your luck with the Langshans you may only have 3 hatch) you would only have a few to take care of in the brooder rather than a bigger batch. Another though, have you considered putting one or two of the eggs under her to allow her to hatch them out? Seems to me that she would be more likely to accept chicks that hatched under her rather than to try to graft them. Then, if she accepts the two that hatch under her, you can graft the rest that hatch in the incubator onto her knowing that she is accepting chicks. After all, chickens can't count, can they?

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Sydney... bumpercarr could have been reading my mind! I agree with her assessments/suggestions for what you are asking....

I will second the opinion that the hen should be fine with a larger clutch as long as you provide her a safe area for at least the first week or two, after that time frame she shouldn't have too much trouble with the chicks following.
I also can tell you one of my absolute bestest broodies is a hen who is just totally anti-social when it comes to humans (unless she wants treats for her chicks, then she is insistent and underfoot!). Janeway though will adopt all other chicks she can get her wings on when she is raising a clutch and currently is still raising her 7 at 6 weeks of age and on top of that has taken in 4 others of a hen who was done with her 6 week olds. Anyway, back to your question... Janeway doesn't want bothered by people, but her raised chicks have always been fine and in fact right now she is raising some white rocks who are downright friendly! So in conclusion... a hen may impact the habits of the chicks (begging, avoiding certain areas of barnyard or some animals initially) but eventually our chicks have all developed personalities that are closer to that of their biological parents rather than their broody mama (as evidenced many times in our barnyard mixes)
 
Oh, this is wonderful. Thank you Bumpercarr and Fisherlady. I hadn't thought of using the Ecoglow as a "second hen" instead of an extension for the hen. And it's great to be able to use the broody Barnevelder to fill in the gaps, This will make life much easier! Now if I can just get a Langshan to hatch
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IT HAS STARTED!! One of the Dorkings in the incubator hatched tonight ~7'30 p m., and immediately began running around the incubator, flopping over and stepping on all the other eggs, which were cheeping and rolling with the stimulation. I didn't realize they would be able to get out of the pedigree cages so easily before they had dried off. So I urgently set about making pedigree "tents," which seems to work quite well. As soon as the chick off I'll leg band it and take it out to the broody.

Very Cute!!
 
Sunny: my broody often took long breaks. It's in the 80s here. A few days ago she was off her nest for 2 hours or so......and yesterday morning I found a baby chick under her! So yes it's possible that the eggs are fine. This is my first time with a broody, so I'm no expert, but wanted to let you know my experience :)


That must have been nerve wracking to see her off the nest for two hours!
Thanks!


It's pretty individual.  Most hens just take a quick break, but some will stay off for a few hours, and some never get off the nest at all (not good).  Chicks are actually more vigorous if there are short breaks in incubation (up to 3 hours per day maximum, depending on the ambient temp) during days 7-18, and one of the high end incubator manufacturers has included a cooling feature into its automatic incubation control.  But it is a little scary when they're off the nest too much.  Sometimes we just have to trust that they know what they're doing, and if they mess up a hatch more than once, don't let them brood again.


I never knew that chicks were more active and healthy with short breaks during mid incubation. It makes me rethink my incubation techniques.

Thank you guys for the help. Yesterday my hens break only lasted about 1/2 hour and I think she may be getting used to her new nest location. I was able to keep her cage door open all day so she could leave the nest as she pleased. I checked in every couple hours.
I did close the cage door last night.

She seems to be doing well!
 

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