Old Fashioned Broody Hen Hatch A Long and Informational Thread

I'm so sorry...that is always so disheartening.

As I always try to learn from each loss, I tend to ponder what might have happened especially if there is something I might want to watch for in others....but only if this helps (otherwise end this post for you now with a big hug)...
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If interested...I can share what I've observed thus far, stating I am still always learning and not a poultry disease expert yet.

No sign of trauma or blood or feather loss indicates it was not likely a predator (unless you have snakes...but not likely in winter time)...Predators tend to be messy. Hawks tend to pick off one bird and eviscerate from the breast and entrails. Raccoons usually savage more than one in a flock, often picking off heads. Coyotes will carry off the whole bird leaving little trace other than a few feathers floating her and there....barring no signs of any of this...then environmental stress or disease is most likely.

For that, the body position can be somewhat telling. Environmental stress or weakness from slowly progressing wasting typically brings either a side laying posture with extension or a sitting position death. In slowly progressing disease, typical of organ failure, the birds typically slowly begin to weaken. Those will often succumb to cold, I've seen them die in the setting posture as they tend to want to sleep a lot more. I had one goofy but healthy bird, from what I could tell, die of apparent cold exposure this year...she curled up in front of the door opening...NOT in the warm cozy coop mind you...but right smack dab in front of the opening for some silly reason...on one of the absolute coldest nights this winter...25 degrees and strong blowing winds (wind chill to below teens?) which would have been swirling by that front door. I didn't check the inside of the coop that prior night, but even if I had seen her I would not have thought to move her, silly bird. I found her the next morning in a sitting posture, feet drawn under her in normal set, head bowed down to the straw, as if she had fallen asleep and succumbed to the cold.

Chicks that die from cold exposure (fall out of the nest or strand themselves away from momma's warmth), typically lay on their back or side and stretch to full extension.

One year I had Infectious Bronchitis go through the flock. I lost several to that illness. It started with the smallest little sneeze from one bird in the flock one night, and progressed over the week to where I had half my flock sniffling, snickering, and coughing. From that I lost 2. They succumbed and laid down and simply "gave up the ghost" by lying on their side with full leg extension as they give up their last breath.

In your case, you've had a bird die flat on her stomach with full leg extension. That could totally be any number of things or simply how the bird happened to shift into position (again only necrospsy would tell). However, whenever I hear of this kind of sudden death in that position, in a young pullet just before coming into lay, I ponder if the bird had been vaccinated for Marek's. Marek's is a viral infection that can produce either visceral (internal organ) tumors or neural tumors. With the visceral tumor, often no symptoms are present until the bird just drops dead. Young pullets just before lay are the most susceptible to Marek's. Marek's is everywhere and common, hence many like to vaccinate for it, but unfortunately the virus is mutating into different strains, so one vaccine may or may not help. Many breeders and hatcheries breed birds that have a natural resistance. Those with a weak resistance can succumb quickly. If vaccinating, it is standard practice to vaccinate at 1 day of age since it takes the virus several weeks to begin tumor growth. Older birds can be vaccinated, but it may not provide any benefit as again you are not preventing transmission or infection of the virus just stoppage of the tumor growth. If you have turkeys, the turkey strain of Marek's can produce a very minor illness in chickens that offers lifelong immunity to the more deadly chicken Marek's, providing the strain in your area has not mutated to far. (The original Marek's vaccines were based on the turkey strain.) Many small breeders don't vaccinate for Marek's as the industry only sells the vaccine in commercial quantities that must be used within 1 hour of mixture. I purposely got my bantam Cochins from a turkey farmer knowing that while no guarantee, I probably have a very high likelihood that these pullets will have gained a lifelong immunity to chicken Marek's.

If it were me, I would check to see if your feed store had the chicks vaccinated. Remember, that won't guarantee prevention of the illness, as the vaccination only prevents or slows the tumors that grow from the virus, but it will help the bird ward off the dangerous tumors that cause the paralysis or sudden death....or keep a few turkeys...again no guarantee as the strains can mutate, but it is an old farmer's trick.

If you would like a reading chart for illness, especially if you see any other symptoms in your flock, you can go to here:
http://www.apa-abayouthpoultryclub.... SYMPTOMS FOR DIAGNOSING POULTRY DISEASES.pdf

http://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-diseases/

and of course BYC has an excellent disease section with articles.

Lady of McCamley

I've lost a few over the years to unknown causes as well, mostly they've been young pullets, red faced, ready to lay and then they just turn up dead. Hadn't thought about Mareks, they are usually pretty asymptomatic, almost always in winter. With the number of birds that I have (all hatched and raised by me and not vaccinated) I would think that I'd lose more of them if it was Mareks. This year, I haven't lost any yet, but I have one that I'm keeping a close eye on. She's not doing well in the cold....for some reason just doesn't seem to be very energetic although she is eating, drinking and pooing normally (poo is a little loose, but not unusually so). She should also be on the verge of laying, we'll see how it turns out.
 
Sorry to hear about Kachoo. I hope she died peacefully in her sleep. While Marek's disease is always a possibility, it probably isn't the likely culprit in this case. Marek's usually has some signs that show up a day or two before worsening. Limping, lack of appetite, neurological problems, etc. You would probably also see signs of disease in your other birds as well. Hopefully she didn't have anything contagious. I just lost a 9 month old hen last Monday. We think she had a brain tumor or something similar.
 
Sorry to hear about Kachoo. I hope she died peacefully in her sleep. While Marek's disease is always a possibility, it probably isn't the likely culprit in this case. Marek's usually has some signs that show up a day or two before worsening. Limping, lack of appetite, neurological problems, etc. You would probably also see signs of disease in your other birds as well. Hopefully she didn't have anything contagious. I just lost a 9 month old hen last Monday. We think she had a brain tumor or something similar.
I once thought that as well, but I am learning that the "classic" Marek's, with the classic neurological symptoms, is not so common now...usually now it is the bird that acts healthy, eating, and going about activity, but is getting very, very thin, until it simply slips away or succumbs to cold. (See links from prior post). And, yes Marek's can go through the flock, but if you have a small flock with mixed breeds, gathered from different locations and situations like so many of us with small flocks (ie chicks from feed store that has been vaccinated while others from small breeders who have not but have been bred for resistance) it will not hit every bird the same, so no, you won't necessarily see a lot of them get sick.

Likely vpatt will not know what happened. We've all had birds that simply turned up dead in the morning and no one else got sick (thankfully). I've also had a couple waste away this year (two this summer), that I've suspicion Marek's, as they were unvaccinated birds, but nobody else unvaccinated has turned up sick, so either something else or these different breeds from different breeders simply had more resistance. Unless I have necropsy performed at time of death (which I haven't planned to do unless I have a compelling disease concern), I can't know truly what happened.

Bird illness is often a mystery but always disheartening.
Lady of McCamley
 
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Sorry to hear about Kachoo.  I hope she died peacefully in her sleep.  While Marek's disease is always a possibility, it probably isn't the likely culprit in this case.  Marek's usually has some signs that show up a day or two before worsening.  Limping, lack of appetite, neurological problems, etc.  You would probably also see signs of disease in your other birds as well.  Hopefully she didn't have anything contagious.  I just lost a 9 month old hen last Monday.  We think she had a brain tumor or something similar.  



Thank you. I'm sorry about your loss, too.
 
Hello all. I am here because I am very nervous. My little bantam hen "Sparrow" has been sitting on a clutch of 3 eggs ( 2 hers and 1 large egg) for 21 days. I haven't messed with her or her eggs at all. I have taken the cage off a couple times to clean poo, refresh water, etc. Today is day 21 and I took the cage off to clean. She got up to eat some of the meal worms and I took a peek at the eggs. I didn't see anything but I did hear quite a bit of chirping. I am so excited and so nervous. This is my first hatch using a broody hen and this is her first clutch. I hope she knows what to do. Will she squish the babies? Should I be doing anything?
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It should be soon! Just leave her alone with the eggs and she should know what to do with them. If you take her off while the eggs are hatching you increase the risk of the chicks shrink wrapping.
 
Hello all. I am here because I am very nervous. My little bantam hen "Sparrow" has been sitting on a clutch of 3 eggs ( 2 hers and 1 large egg) for 21 days. I haven't messed with her or her eggs at all. I have taken the cage off a couple times to clean poo, refresh water, etc. Today is day 21 and I took the cage off to clean. She got up to eat some of the meal worms and I took a peek at the eggs. I didn't see anything but I did hear quite a bit of chirping. I am so excited and so nervous. This is my first hatch using a broody hen and this is her first clutch. I hope she knows what to do. Will she squish the babies? Should I be doing anything?
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She'll know what to do. The only thing that I usually worry about with first time broodies is to make sure that they don't kick an egg out of the nest when they start to pip and hatch. Some of mine get "worried" when they feel movement under them the first time and not knowing what the movement is kick the egg out. So, I usually sit and quietly watch for a bit, just to make sure that she's not uncomfortable when she starts to feel them. Good luck!
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Hello all. I am here because I am very nervous. My little bantam hen "Sparrow" has been sitting on a clutch of 3 eggs ( 2 hers and 1 large egg) for 21 days. I haven't messed with her or her eggs at all. I have taken the cage off a couple times to clean poo, refresh water, etc. Today is day 21 and I took the cage off to clean. She got up to eat some of the meal worms and I took a peek at the eggs. I didn't see anything but I did hear quite a bit of chirping. I am so excited and so nervous. This is my first hatch using a broody hen and this is her first clutch. I hope she knows what to do. Will she squish the babies? Should I be doing anything? :jumpy


Good luck.....hopefully your broody will know what to do. I bet you will have babies soon.
 
I guess I should have told you what to look for. She should be sitting rock solid on those eggs, not hardly moving at all. If she's shuffling around like she's sitting on a cactus, she might kick one out.
 
oh my... I hope she doesn't kick any out. I haven't been out there for almost 2 hours. I didn't want to disturb her. I will go take a peek on her. I will be out in the other end of the barn for an hour or so cleaning the donkeys area so I can keep a close eye on her. I hope she will be able to keep them little ones warm. It's a bit chilly in Indiana today. Thank you for your advice. :)
 

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