Omg, omg, omg, they hatched! early!

[new 2 pfowl]

I have no idea about recommended salt intake for peas?
But usually that kind of prepared food like mac 'n' cheese is loaded with sodium.
(which is why I can't stay away from it myself, of course...)

 

[Yoda]

Now, I've done both the medicated and non medicated starter feeds.....kinda what I can get at the time, be it chicks or peachicks. I was taught long ago with chicken chicks to stay away from medicated early on. Now, I can't remember why that is. But chickens are for egg production, so I don't know if the same reasons apply to peachicks. Basicaly I'm not real clear on the pros and cons of med vs non med for peachciks. Right now I've got them on a medicated turkey starter, because thats what was available. Should I change? You said yours "liked" non medicated....is there something to that ?

I believe it was to stay away from feeding adult birds medicated feed cause the birds would produce an antibiotic-resistant bacteria years ago. We are only feeding medicated to the chicks and removing them from the feed in a couple months. I will not eat an egg from a chicken given medicated feed or being wormed LOL. It's hard when the feed store doesn't always carry a product. I can get turkey starter but not medicated turkey starter. But the medication in that is for blackhead and I knock on wood have not had to deal with that here. I did deal with Coccidia and that is what medicated chick starter helps to prevent. Coccidia and blackhead usually attack young birds and very rarely have I seen adult birds with the illnesses.

 

[caitanni]

after losing 4 chicks I use medicated feed for my lil ones. My chicks that are hatching now are more expensive and I am not risking losing any of them. I see it like this...if I give them medicated feed they build up an immunity to cocci, verses having to medicate them if they have a break out of it. Preventative measure I guess.

 

[msmolly]

So are you talking chicken chicks or pea chicks? But I guess the answer from both you and Yoda, is medicated feed early on for both types, where as Kathy feeds unmedicated- will have to find out why. Thanks for the input. I feel better as I am currently feeding medicated.

 

[caitanni]

@msmolly, every chick/chicken has cocci....it is a normal parasite amongst chickens. In very young chickens it can kill them....before you realize what is going on. Giving medicated feed gives the chicks time to build up an immunity to it. Or ppl can chose to wait and see if it shows up...then the chicks lives are at risk. The way I see it is the chicks will end up medicated one way or another and I prefer not to have my chicks die. I am taking NO chance with cocci...or whatever its called..

 

[msmolly]

Thanks for the info. I'm relieved to know that my laziness in not tracking down "un medicated" feed is not a crime after all. I just know I was told long ago, to stay away from medicated feed early on, and maybe as Yoda says it was for resistance problems back then. All I know is I've forgotten why, and because its so hard to get un-medicated feed, I've been feeding med...to my chicks for the last few years. Happy accident I guess.

 

[msmolly]

Interesting question. I will rationalize my actions, by countering that we in Ohio lack Selenium in our soil (which is why we have to supplement our horses here)- so...therefore that would make MacNCheese a vital mineral supplement!

 

[casportpony]

​

This is one of the feeds that's available, but no one ever has fresh bags of it. Note that the medication listed is not amprolium, it's bacitarcin methylene disalicylate, which is used to prevent nercrotic enteritis, I think. Also note that copper sulfate is listed, and I guess there's enough of it that they have a warning about feeding it to sheep on the bag. Copper sulfate is said to help prevent histomoniasis. If they ever have a fresh bag of it I'll probably buy it and see how it feeds.

-Kathy

5725-01/11
[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]FARMERS BEST
TURKEY/GAMEBIRD
STARTER-MEDICATED[/FONT]
F[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]ARMERS [/FONT]B[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]EST [/FONT]T[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]URKEY[/FONT]/G[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]AMEBIRD [/FONT]S[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]TARTER [/FONT]M[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]EDICATED [/FONT][/FONT]
will provide all of the nutrients necessary for optimal
growth of all meat bird types from hatching to ten
(10) weeks
[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]FEATURES AND BENEFITS[/FONT][/FONT]

A 27% protein crumble

Uses a variety of vegetable protein sources

Designed to provide the nutrient requirements for economical growth

Designed to be fed to all meat type birds (turkeys, broilers, ducks and geese)

Recommended to be fed as the sole ration to all meat type birds from
hatching to ten (10) weeks

Medicated with Bacitracin Methylene Disalicylate at the rate of 50g/T for
increased rate of gain and improved feed efficiency

Provide a continuous supply of fresh, clean water.
[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]FEEDING INSTRUCTIONS[/FONT][/FONT]
Feed
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meat type birds.
Provide a continuous supply of fresh, clean water.
5725-01/11
[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]GAME BIRD & TURKEY STARTER CRUMBLES MEDICATED[/FONT][/FONT]
For increased rate of gain and improved feed efficiency
[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]ACTIVE DRUG INGREDIENT(S)[/FONT][/FONT]
Bacitracin Methylene Disalicylate. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .50 gm/ton
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Crude Protein .........................................Not Less Than....................................... 27.0 Pct
Lysine .......................................................Not Less Than......................................... 1.2 Pct
Methionine .............................................Not Less Than......................................... 0.3 Pct
Crude Fat ...............................................Not Less Than......................................... 4.0 Pct
Crude Fiber .......................................... Not More Than ....................................... 5.0 Pct
Calcium (Ca) .........................................Not Less Than......................................... 1.0 Pct
Calcium (Ca) ....................................... Not More Than ....................................... 1.5 Pct
Phosphorous (P) .....................................Not Less Than......................................... 0.8 Pct
Salt ...........................................................Not Less Than......................................... 0.3 Pct
Salt ......................................................... Not More Than ....................................... 0.6 Pct
[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]I[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Century Gothic,Bold][FONT=Century Gothic,Bold]NGREDIENTS[/FONT][/FONT]
Soybean Meal, Ground Corn, Safflower Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Monocalcium
Phosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate,
Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, DL-Methionine Hydroxy Analogue,
Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Zinc Oxide, Mineral Oil, Sodium Selenite, Niacin
Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A
Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Menadione Sodium
Bisulfite Complex, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride.
REMINDER: Feed is perishable. Store this product in a cool, dry area away from​

insects. DO NOT feed moldy or insect-infested feed.

 

[casportpony]

This is the one that I feed mine, but not because it's un-medicated, I feed it because it's very fresh *and* they seem to prefer it. Note that this one also has copper sulfate in it, but there are no warnings about feeding it to sheep, so I have no idea how much is in it.

-Kathy

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:
Crude Protein Not Less Than 26.50%
Lysine ........... Not Less Than ..1.60%
Methionine .... Not Less Than ..0.52%
Crude Fat ..... Not Less Than ..6.65%
Crude Fiber . Not More Than ..2.99%
Ash.............. Not More Than ..9.08%
Calcium ........ Not Less Than ..1.60%
Calcium ....... Not More Than ..2.00%
Phosphorus ... Not Less Than ..0.91%
Salt . ...............Not Less Than . 0.08%
Salt..................Not More Than..0.58%
INGREDIENTS:
Soybean Meal, Corn, Distillers dried grains, Vegetable Oil & Animal
Fat Blend, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Wheat Millrun,
Salt, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate,
Manganous Oxide, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Acetate, Niacin Supplement,
Copper Sulfate, D-Cal Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3
Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite
Complex, Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide, Biotin, Pyridoxine
Hydrochloride, Sodium Selenite, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12
Supplement, Folic Acid
FEEDING DIRECTIONS:
Feed as a sole ration to turkeys. Provide plenty of clean, fresh
water at all times.
MANUFACTURED BY:
Associated Feed and Supply
5213 West Main
Turlock, CA 95380
NET WEIGHT 50 lbs
GAME & TURKEY
STARTER
700027
(FINE CRUMBLES)
Swanson Farms Game and Turkey Starter shold be
fed free choice as a starter feed to game bird chicks
and to turkey poults until they are 3 weeks of age.
Unlike many starter feeds, Swanson Farms Game
and Turkey Starter is formulated into a fine crumble
providing a particle size that young chicks and
poults can easily consume. Swanson Farms Game
and Turkey Starter does not contain any growth
promotents or antibiotics, only natural, wholesome
grains and high quality protein. Young turkey poults
and game bird chicks have an exceptionally high
requirement for protein. This feed meets the young
bird’s protein requirements by utilizing the high
quality protein feed soybean meal. This starter also
provides all vitamins and minerals needed by young,​

rapidly growing chick and poults.

 

[casportpony]

My other three choices are Purina 30% Gamebird, Purina 18% medicated chick starter and Purina 22% un-medicated Flock Raiser. I actually do buy all three, but the peachicks don't seem to care for them, so they get the Swanson product.

So all that said, I certainly don't try to find un-medicated feed and I actually wish that I could get a medicated high protein feed, but it doesn't exist.

-Kathy