One of our dogs killed 4 of our chickens today...

Process will require time, on the order of weeks to months with repetition. I increase the amount of supervised interaction between dog and birds. Dog must be controlled and possible restrained when dog focuses on birds. My preference if to have dog in a well exercised state and fed state that is encouraged to walk away from flock but within visual, auditory and olfactory range. Effort to get dog’s attention towards stimuli that are not flock. Repeatedly take dog back to flock but do not focus your attention on birds. Dogs and wolves are very good at detecting what others are interested in. Do not handle birds in front of dog until very late in training process and try to keep birds calm at first. Later, flighty birds will be needed to push dog’s envelope. You want dog’s interest peaked by stimuli other than birds. The birds and their confinement are simply the dog’s home base. I also take dogs patrolling after dark to investigate pens. Dog will get used to chicken related stimuli and begin looking for other interest; hopefully that will be a chicken predator dog can go after with your blessing.

Work troublesome dogs away from other dogs. Even when dog is trained for operating alone, more effort will need to be invested when other dogs involved unless trained dog switches into full guardian mode.

The dead chicken tied to neck does not always work. My dogs would figure out how to eat it.

I have never kenneled a dog over night like you are considering. It might work but kenneling is something that I have never done. All dogs I have seen so treated are in my opinion a bit high strung.

You can realize free-ranging with benefits if patrolling dog yet. Give it time. You will likely have to learn more than dog but you can do it.
 
Process will require time, on the order of weeks to months with repetition. I increase the amount of supervised interaction between dog and birds. Dog must be controlled and possible restrained when dog focuses on birds. My preference if to have dog in a well exercised state and fed state that is encouraged to walk away from flock but within visual, auditory and olfactory range. Effort to get dog’s attention towards stimuli that are not flock. Repeatedly take dog back to flock but do not focus your attention on birds. Dogs and wolves are very good at detecting what others are interested in. Do not handle birds in front of dog until very late in training process and try to keep birds calm at first. Later, flighty birds will be needed to push dog’s envelope. You want dog’s interest peaked by stimuli other than birds. The birds and their confinement are simply the dog’s home base. I also take dogs patrolling after dark to investigate pens. Dog will get used to chicken related stimuli and begin looking for other interest; hopefully that will be a chicken predator dog can go after with your blessing.

Work troublesome dogs away from other dogs. Even when dog is trained for operating alone, more effort will need to be invested when other dogs involved unless trained dog switches into full guardian mode.

The dead chicken tied to neck does not always work. My dogs would figure out how to eat it.

I have never kenneled a dog over night like you are considering. It might work but kenneling is something that I have never done. All dogs I have seen so treated are in my opinion a bit high strung.

You can realize free-ranging with benefits if patrolling dog yet. Give it time. You will likely have to learn more than dog but you can do it.
Thanks for the pointers! We HAVE to make this work. I feel really guilty that if we hadn't kicked him outside for such an extended period of time (it was only 6 hours or so and he loves being outside BUT he'd rather be with us) and if we had that one, three foot section, more secure he wouldn't have displayed such negative behavior. He was doing GREAT at ignoring them and leaving them alone when we were outside and we had left him out in the yard for a couple of hours at a time while we ran errands and he left them alone (they were obviously in the coop/run). The girls really had been hanging in the coop most of the time so he might not have had the temptation as much.
 
He did it AGAIN! We had them locked in their coop since he attacked on Sunday. My husband and I let them out in the yard (with the dogs inside) and let them play for awhile earlier today. We open their coop up into their run and they were going in and out. A few hours later we were outside with our dogs and doing some yard work and he went after them with us RIGHT THERE! They were in the run, he went over where we had it blocked off and broke in again. 3 of them manage to get back into the coop and hide but one wasn't so lucky. She probably won't make it but my husband thinks we should give her a chance. I am furious! I have over 20 in brooders right now and another order coming in on the 16th and I'm thinking I'm just going to sell everyone and cancel my order!
 
He did it AGAIN! We had them locked in their coop since he attacked on Sunday. My husband and I let them out in the yard (with the dogs inside) and let them play for awhile earlier today. We open their coop up into their run and they were going in and out. A few hours later we were outside with our dogs and doing some yard work and he went after them with us RIGHT THERE! They were in the run, he went over where we had it blocked off and broke in again. 3 of them manage to get back into the coop and hide but one wasn't so lucky. She probably won't make it but my husband thinks we should give her a chance. I am furious! I have over 20 in brooders right now and another order coming in on the 16th and I'm thinking I'm just going to sell everyone and cancel my order!

Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but it sounds like that dog has a serious issue, maybe you should consider re-homing that dog instead, but I understand, that's your choice.
 
I've got two dogs. An almost 12 yr. old lab retriever that was born in my bedroom and a 4 year old black and tan coon hound. The chickens arrived last year. Obviously, my dogs came long before the birds.

While I'd love them to co-exist, I know that will never happen. Both of my dogs are hunting dogs. One is instinctively bred to look for and retrieve birds. Oh, we've never used either to hunt but the instincts to do so were there from the beginning. When the lab goes outside, he first looks to the sky. The hound always has nose to the ground. It's their nature. They can't help it. And I know that, realistically, I can't change it. To attempt to do so will only invite disaster.

If your dog can get in your run, then it's not secure from other predators, either. If it were my dogs and birds, I'd secure the run and make sure that the chickens never free ranged when the dog was out. I only allow my birds to free-range when the dogs are inside. If one of my dogs must go out when the chickens are out, he goes out on a leash and in a different area of the yard. My dogs have never attempted to break through the run but the run is secure enough that they can't get through. They've shown curiosity towards the chickens and the coon hound has had her nose pecked a time or two by sniffing at the fence.

Yes, it makes for a bit of work and juggling of birds and dog for us. But, it's the only way for them to co-exist given that the birds were introduced so late in the dogs lives. Maybe it would have been different if they had been puppies when the chickens arrived but that wasn't the case.
 
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Sorry, I don't mean to offend, but it sounds like that dog has a serious issue, maybe you should consider re-homing that dog instead, but I understand, that's your choice.
No offense taken. The thought has crossed our minds...we are new to the area and don't know anyone that might be able to take him. We are going to work on the coop and run and maybe if we relocate it to a different part of the yard we can put up a fence to keep him away.
 
Dog does not need to be rehomed. Approach with respect to control of dog needs to be revisited. You do not have control based on experience. Having ability to beat dog down does not constitute control. Leash dog during interactions and get around pen so you can challenge dog's tendency to cause trouble. Otherwise fixing problem will take longer and cost more birds.


My dogs are German Pointers (bird dogs) that are allowed to free-range with free-range birds 24/7. Most birds are juvenile. Breed is not a major issue. Issue is arrangement you have developed between yourself, poultry and dogs. Both my dogs killed birds during early training stages but that has resulted in truly competent dogs I can count upon to now stop other killers when I am not around.
 
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I have 9 dogs, 5 goldens 3 flat coats and an Irish Wolfhound...and train upper level obedience. Of my gang 7 of the dogs are fine with the chickens even in a pack they are fine wtih the chickens the Wolfhound is NOT one of them and two of the younger goldens are not... they seem to leave the chickens alone in their chicken area which is sectioned off from the dog yard and don't seem to pay much attention to them ... although one of the young goldens will bark at the chickens if I am also out in the chicken yard and he can't get to me... so I am not sure that he is barking at chickens or at the fact that he can't get to me or a combination.

I plan on working on on the two goldens this summer but I am not sure if the wolfhound will ever be trustworthy she has a high coursing drive .... I honestly don't think the dogs would kill the chickens on purpose but i think that would be the result. Thus the chickens free range the fenced area (full dog yard about 2 acres) when the dogs are in... when the dogs need to go out (the ones that are not trustworthy) I call the chickens back to their pen and close them in ... is it a pain? sure but it ensures the safety of the chickens and my dogs never learn what fun it is to chase chickens ....

I do think that people are quick to tell dogs what they don't want and not reward the behavior that they do want... honestly at this point wiht your dog that has killed the chickens twice now I am not sure that I think that is breakable and it may be that keeping them apart is the better option.
 
I have 9 dogs, 5 goldens 3 flat coats and an Irish Wolfhound...and train upper level obedience. Of my gang 7 of the dogs are fine with the chickens even in a pack they are fine wtih the chickens the Wolfhound is NOT one of them and two of the younger goldens are not... they seem to leave the chickens alone in their chicken area which is sectioned off from the dog yard and don't seem to pay much attention to them ... although one of the young goldens will bark at the chickens if I am also out in the chicken yard and he can't get to me... so I am not sure that he is barking at chickens or at the fact that he can't get to me or a combination.

I plan on working on on the two goldens this summer but I am not sure if the wolfhound will ever be trustworthy she has a high coursing drive .... I honestly don't think the dogs would kill the chickens on purpose but i think that would be the result. Thus the chickens free range the fenced area (full dog yard about 2 acres) when the dogs are in... when the dogs need to go out (the ones that are not trustworthy) I call the chickens back to their pen and close them in ... is it a pain? sure but it ensures the safety of the chickens and my dogs never learn what fun it is to chase chickens ....

I do think that people are quick to tell dogs what they don't want and not reward the behavior that they do want... honestly at this point wiht your dog that has killed the chickens twice now I am not sure that I think that is breakable and it may be that keeping them apart is the better option.
I am not a trainer but could break dog of habit despite prior killings.
 
as I said I am not sure ... having not seen the dog or the breed... and I cant imagine being that confident about a dog that already has killed quite a few chickens that you have never seen... makes me wonder about methods of training ... some dogs just have a very high prey drive... I am pretty sure that I can stop the goldens from harassing the chickens... I doubt the wolfhound will ever be trustworthy...

that having been said I haven't seen the dog or how the dog responds so it all remains to be seen. I agree with your other advice about working them separate from the other dogs... and rewarding the behavior that you want to see...
 
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