Opinions of cross breeding

[bantymum]

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That is a purebred banty strain with an excellent toe outcome!!!!!They should have 5 toes with 1 toe coming from the end toe!!! well done.

 

[wclawrence]

I have something to say to the one who said if you breed two crossbred birds together you get unpredictable results:
Phooey!
Learn a little genetics and it is easy as second grade math, no, it IS second grade math.
Throw a cross at me and I will tell you the opportunities that can come from an F1 inter-se breeding, and on top of that I can get very close to what percentage will exibit what traits.

 

[Davaroo]

Learn a little genetics and it is easy as second grade math, no, it IS second grade math.
Throw a cross at me and I will tell you the opportunities that can come from an F1 inter-se breeding, and on top of that I can get very close to what percentage will exibit what traits.

Obviously, not all of us had the benefit of the same teaching you had. I HAVE learned a little genetics and I resent the implication here that I am stupid if I can't get it like it's some childs game.
Perhaps you can enlighten us all so we can get it it, too?​

 

[wclawrence]

Oh, sorry. I didnt mean to offend. I guess I assumed. My bad.
Let me put it differently...

Genetics are not that hard to learn on the chickens. That is, once you get the basics, it will be easier to understand.
there are some rules to it, though:

1) every bird gets one copy for each trait from each parent.
2) E-alleles are the key: learn the genes and how to recognise them, ie
The way chicks are marked tell you what e-allele the COLOR PATTERN the bird will have as an adult.

3) all other genes modify the bird otherwise (other than the e-allele that is)

4) these rules work to help you understand how the different characteristics effect the bird. and they work most of the time.

5) all genes are either Dominant or co-dominant or recessive. and some genes have to be in the presence of other genes to be expressed.


That sounds like alot, but if you learn these things in that order it will make it alot smaller.

Besides all that, I was trying to address the person that said that results were unpredictable and at one point said "...you cannot re-breed the hybrids. The genetics go to chaos after the F1 mating..."

And I was trying to encourage someone to learn the genetics.

 

[Frozen Feathers]

My DH created a Punnett square program for me in attempts to try and determine what sort of outcome we would get by crossing my accidental crosses of Silkie/Phoenix. I would like to try and get a Silkied Phoenix, meaning the overall look of a Phoenix but with soft feathers like a Silkie. The results were staggering, to say the least. I think it was by 3rd generation that we found one result that had the genes we wanted...out of I believe 4096 results. Many were the same... I will have to figure out how many possibilities...I will commision my Dh to write a program to find out.

It was quite easy to figure out the result of the first generation, having the birds on hand, and being able to see what genes are dominant or appear to be (hard feather, extra toes, crest, phoenix markings, feathered legs, Silkie combs, etc) and what are recessive (soft feather, single combs "normal" feet and so on). We still have no idea about egg color, tail legnth and overall bird size.

Needless to say I am crossing next year and can't wait to see what I get.

I think it would be definately easier if I stuck with trying to breed Showgirls then Silkied Phoenix!!