Orpingtons look different.Both Pullets?

can you get some full body shots without the fencing? i am not seeing any saddles coming in just yet and at this age they should be coming in
 
They were sold as Orpingtons.They are quite large birds.I will get better pics.Sorry was offline for a bit.Shouldn t it have crowed by now if it was a Roo?They ones I sent back were crowing like crazy.I see some suspicious feathers..
 
Here are the new pics.Again I really don t know the age of this bird.The other pullet was hatched late April.This one is younger.Not sure of age.





This is the older bird.Hatched end of April.They were sold as Orpingtons.But if not they are still pretty birds.
 
I think the first may be a cockerel. It looks like some shiny hackle feather growing in there. Hard to tell though, a nice full body shot from the side as its walking around may help.
 
I think that first one is a roo. I see some awfully shiny feathers on that one.
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Here are the new pics.Again I really don t know the age of this bird.The other pullet was hatched late April.This one is younger.Not sure of age.





This is the older bird.Hatched end of April.They were sold as Orpingtons.But if not they are still pretty birds.
 

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