Over researched and made myself anxious about coccidiosis

People don't often come here to rejoice because everything is going swimmingly and their chickens are perfectly healthy. But for the majority of us, that's exactly the case!
Good point! Just for the sake of helping balance things:

I have raised hundreds of chicks, never used medicated feed, never seen a case of coccidiosis.

This was spread over at least 4 different locations in 3 different states across quite a number of years. Chicks have been in garage, other garage, basement, a wide variety of outdoor pens, with broody hens or without. Broody hens have had mail-order chicks, incubator chicks, chicks they hatched themselves. Brooder chicks have been mail order, or from a local feed store, or hatched in an incubator. Bedding has been newspaper, paper towel, wood shavings, wood chips, dry leaves, clods of dirt, hay or straw, probably other things, any combination depending on what was available at the time. Chicks have been a wide variety of breeds and mixes, raised in groups from 2 to 100+ and sometimes in mixed-age groups. I think the only consistent things have been heat source when there was no broody hen (always a heat lamp) and water (always plain tap water, never added anything to it.)
 
Debbie, I usually agree with you but not in this case.
It's okay if we don't agree on something, as I know, we're almost always on the same page. ☺️

With this though, it's because I've lived it. If we do not move the pens, and they are on medicated, they don't get coccidiosis. Twice out of a dozen or so times I've been remiss, and they got it.

The best scenario for us to avoid it is to move the darn pen to fresh grass. I just brought home 8 six-week-old silkies two weeks ago. We moved the shed and pen for them. I fed them medicated. They made dust baths and scratched that all up pretty good, so putting them on regular now. Would they have gotten sick had I not? Probably not, but I keep a bag here, so may as well.

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I worry about it when we get rain in my climate. It's hot and humid anyway, and when we've dealt with coccidiosis, it was after rain. It doesn't seem to matter that the coop and run don't actually get rained into at all. I'm hoping that the older everyone gets, the less it'll be a concern.
Is it possible to move the area they're in at least once a year? I think if they were on fresh dirt/grass, and it rains, they'd be less likely.

For those of us who have to deal with it occasionally, a jug of Corid will just become a permanent fixture in the cupboard.
 
Is it possible to move the area they're in at least once a year? I think if they were on fresh dirt/grass, and it rains, they'd be less likely.

For those of us who have to deal with it occasionally, a jug of Corid will just become a permanent fixture in the cupboard.
Not really, unfortunately. Our coop and run, and the run extension we're working on more, are permanent fixtures. Very permanent. My husband says we're going to go live with the chickens for a couple days if we get a hurricane, lol. I am fastidious about cleaning and making sure there is always clean, dry bedding, and hope that it's enough. I do move around the pen that I let babies take field trips in, however. So at the least, the tiniest in the group have a fresh place to scratch.
 
Hi, welcome to the forum! Glad you joined!


Never be afraid to ask a question on here. This is still the internet, you have to weed through the responses because you can get some internet hysteria but you can get that also just from talking to people. It doesn't have to be the internet. I think you are lucky in that some very good people have been responding to you.

A few years back I wrote up something on Coccidiosis and medicated feed. I'll copy it at the end of this post. It might help you manage better if you understand better what you are dealing with. I have not seen anything that makes me think you are dealing with Coccidiosis.


Debbie, I usually agree with you but not in this case. The medicated feed works by limiting how many of the bug that causes Coccidiosis breeds and multiplies. You cannot catch a viral or bacterial disease if you are never exposed to it. Medicated feed cannot limit how many coccidiosis protozoa reproduce if none are reproducing. Medicated feed does not hurt them if fed before that bug is present but it also does no good. If the bug is present it allows enough to reproduce so the chicks can develop immunity but usually limits the numbers so they don't get sick.

@Echelontheory101 I have no idea what strains of Coccidiosis may be present in your environment. I have no idea when yours will first be exposed to any that may be present. Coccidiosis can kill but most of us manage without it being a big deal. If you recognize the symptoms you can usually treat it.

Good luck!

Now, that write-up

"First you need to know what the "medicated" is in the medicated feed. It should be on the label. Usually it is Amprolium, Amprol, some such product, but until you read the label, you really don't know. Most "medicated' feed from major brands for chicks that will be layers uses Amprolium, but there are a few out there mostly for broilers that use other medicines. I'll assume yours is an Amprolium product, but if it is not, then realize everything I say about it may not apply. And it is possible that the "medicated" is Amprolium AND something else.

Amprolium is not an antibiotic. It does not kill anything. It inhibits the protozoa that cause coccidiosis (often called Cocci on this forum) from multiplying in the chicken's system. It does not prevent the protozoa from multiplying; it just slows that multiplication down. There are several different strains of protozoa that can cause Cocci, some more severe than others. Chickens can develop immunity to a specific strain of the protozoa, but that does not give them immunity to all protozoa that cause Cocci.

It is not a big deal for the chicken’s intestines to contain some of the protozoa that cause Cocci. The problem comes in when the number of those protozoa gets huge. The protozoa can multiply in the chicken’s intestines but also in wet manure. For them to reproduce they need some moisture. Slightly damp isn't an issue, soaking wet is. Different protozoa strains have different strengths, but for almost all cases, if you keep the brooder dry, you will not have a problem.

To develop immunity to a specific strain, that protozoa needs to be in the chicks intestines for two or three weeks. The normal sequence is that a chick has the protozoa. It poops and some of the cysts that develop the protozoa come out in the poop. If the poop is slightly damp, those cysts develop and will then develop in the chick's intestines when the chicks eat that poop. This cycle needs go on for a few weeks so all chicks are exposed and they are exposed long enough to develop immunity. A couple of important points here. You do need to watch them to see if they are getting sick. And the key is to keep the brooder dry yet allow some of the poop to stay damp. Not soaking wet, just barely damp. Wet poop can lead to serious problems.

What sometimes happens is that people keep chicks in a brooder and feed them medicated feed while they are in the brooder. Those chicks are never exposed to the Cocci protozoa that lives in the dirt in their run, so they never develop the immunity to it. Then, they are switched to non-medicated feed and put on the ground where they are for the first time exposed to the protozoa. They do not have immunity, they do not have the protection of the medicated feed, so they get sick. Feeding medicated feed while in the brooder was a complete waste.

I do not feed medicated feed. I keep the brooder dry to not allow the protozoa to breed uncontrollably. The third day that they are in the brooder, I take a scoop of dirt from the run and feed it to them so I can introduce the protozoa and they can develop the immunity they need to the strain they need to develop an immunity to. Since I keep my brooder extremely dry and the water clean the protozoa can't reproduce so every three days I give them more dirt from the run so they get more protozoa and can develop immunity. I don't lose chicks to Cocci when they hit the ground.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding medicated feed to chicks, whether the protozoa are present or not. It will not hurt them. They can still develop the immunity they need. But unless the protozoa are present, it also does no good.

If you get your chicks vaccinated for Cocci, do not feed medicated feed. It can negate the vaccinations."
Thanks so much! I gave them a plug id sod from their run that they'll be in earlier this week. And this morning I stopped all the sav a chick and their poops firmed right up so that is 100% what the issue was with the watery poo luckily! Just got in my own head haha. And thanks for all the information!!
 
Good point! Just for the sake of helping balance things:

I have raised hundreds of chicks, never used medicated feed, never seen a case of coccidiosis.

This was spread over at least 4 different locations in 3 different states across quite a number of years. Chicks have been in garage, other garage, basement, a wide variety of outdoor pens, with broody hens or without. Broody hens have had mail-order chicks, incubator chicks, chicks they hatched themselves. Brooder chicks have been mail order, or from a local feed store, or hatched in an incubator. Bedding has been newspaper, paper towel, wood shavings, wood chips, dry leaves, clods of dirt, hay or straw, probably other things, any combination depending on what was available at the time. Chicks have been a wide variety of breeds and mixes, raised in groups from 2 to 100+ and sometimes in mixed-age groups. I think the only consistent things have been heat source when there was no broody hen (always a heat lamp) and water (always plain tap water, never added anything to it.)
Thank you!!!
 
Thanks so much! I gave them a plug id sod from their run that they'll be in earlier this week. And this morning I stopped all the sav a chick and their poops firmed right up so that is 100% what the issue was with the watery poo luckily! Just got in my own head haha. And thanks for all the information!!
That's great to hear!
 

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