Peafowl colors and type

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

So if I get this correct. We have 7/8 and what Tim Bow calls Emerald Spaulding on their website Emerald Spalding (3/4, 7/8, 31/32, muticus)

http://bowspeafowlfarm.com/home.html

Since they are muticus would I be correct in calling them 7/8 Java Spaulding?

Steve in NC

 

[deerman]

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No
1. Muticus-Muticus are Java
2. Muticus-Imperator are Indo-Chinese
3. Muticus-Specifer are Burmese

You can call them spaldings with %
if more than 3/4 those were call emerald

Java are to be pure

Most spalding were started before the greens were broke down into the 3 classes.

Some UPA Member still call them Emerald, which most spalding will be. Now the % is what counts.

Calling them Emerald is no big deal, but if you keep track of % so much better.

Emerald white 3/4
White 31/32 this one would bring alot more money than the 3/4, both would be call emerald white in the past. That the reason the name emerald was drop. Sure will be along time before the name is drop by all breeders.

Thing with me Emerald doent mean much, unless you know the %.

I have opals,peach,and pieds all 3/4 spalding, could call them emerald, but sure dont have the emerald green color. Myself having a hard time with Blackshoulder as only blues have blackshoulder, other color like purple ,peach,cameo,have brownshoulder. opals have silver or grey shoulder.

 

[Paganbird]

I'm confused...

GardienneWings: "A Spalding (or Emerald Spalding depending on % green) is any of the 3 green species crossed with a blue. I have Java green crosses and have worked hard to get nothing less than 15/16ths in my breeding flock so I specify that they are 15/16ths Java Spaldings since I know the green blood in them is Java green (vs Burmese or Indo-Chinese). So it is a descriptive term rather than a correct name."
Steve_of_sandspoultry: "So if I get this correct. We have 7/8 and what Tim Bow calls Emerald Spaulding on their website Emerald Spalding (3/4, 7/8, 31/32, muticus) Since they are muticus would I be correct in calling them 7/8 Java Spaulding?"

I don't see the difference. Why is it incorrect to refer to the 15/16 as Java spalding, but not the 7/8?
Am I missing something?​

 

[deerman]

IMO only pure Java should be call java.

Javanese pure are the highest price.

Any mixes are spalding, and should not be call java, for that reason would confuse just about anyone.

Keep in mind spalding are mixed and do NOT breed true.

Breeder that have greens that cross with the other greens, just call them green.

A spalding from any green is still just a spalding, cant tell by looking at then which green was used in the cross.

 

[Paganbird]

So they are all technically just spalding... 7/8 spalding and 15/16 spalding... regardless of the green being a java green, right?
So the correct way to phrase it would be, "I have a #/# spalding with a high percentage of java?"
It is also my understanding from your posts that java are only java - not mixed with anything, so... no java pied, no java blackshoulder, no java white eye, etc. Just pure green java birds.
Did I get it right?

 

[deerman]

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True none of the greens have any other color. Myself think that is the only reason to cross them. If I want green color spalding would just get greens. But by try getting other colors in spalding you will get lots of green spalding.

Link to one of the best guy breeding spaldings. Lots of pics of spalding, note he list % not just calling them emerald.

http://www.medicinetreefarm.com/index.html

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

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Now I'm really confused. spalding are a mix of java and IB yes? If male and female are each 7/8 java/spalding what would the offspring be? I understand poultry breeding. A female and B male = 50% A & B offspring, breeding male offspring back to A female = 3/4 yes? breed back again = 7/8. basic line breeding.

Steve

 

[deerman]

Green X blue =1/2 green & 1/2 blue

1/2 green spaulding X green = 3/4 green spalding
3/4 green spalding X green = 7/8 green spalding
7/8 green spalding X green = 15/16 green spalding
15/16 green spalding X green=31/32 green spalding


7/8 X 7/8 = 7/8 green spalding

Here is where people will get lost

1/2 green spalding X 3/4 green spalding =5/8 green spalding
1/2 green spalding X 7/8 green spalding =11/16 green spalding

1/2 green spalding X blue = 1/4 green spalding

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

Deerman - you are a cruel person to make somebody think on a Monday morning but I think I follow you. Thanks

Steve

 

[GardienneWings]

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Steve, Java is only 1 of the Green species. ANY green crossed with any blue (or blue mutation ie white) gives you a Spalding. So Spalding only means green crossed with blue (or white, or blue pied, or cameo, etc) not specifically Java green, could be Burmese instead of Java - no real distinction is made in the term Spalding.

Val