Pecking order and chicken politics...I need advice!

Would you kill a rooster who is too rough with the hens in your flock?

  • Yes, but only after he caused serious injury to one of the hens.

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • Yes.

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • No.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Not sure.

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • No, but I would find him a new home.

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • Total voters
    10

LestersFlat

Songster
13 Years
May 17, 2011
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Schuyler Lake NY
I apologize for this rambling post, but I have been waiting to ask for help thinking things would work out, and they haven't.

We had a perfect small flock—13 hens and one rooster that only picked on us humans, not his girls. Then my poor Roo was attacked by something (probably the eagle across the road). He lived for about 4 months, but finally died of some respiratory issue probably due to the fact that he never fully recovered from his injuries. About the same time he died, we introduced 3 new chickens to the flock. We raised them from pullet size, having been told they were 2 hens and another rooster, but they are all 3 roosters.

Three rooster brothers got along really well with each other until we introduced them to the hens. It was actually a good thing that my other rooster was no longer around, because that would have made the introduction even more difficult. As soon as they joined the hens in the coop, everything changed. Two of the boys ganged up on the other one, and their idea of having their way with the ladies was to have one mount her, while the other pecked at her head and eyes. Then they would change positions...

We lost 2 hens during this period, but it happened overnight in the coop so we don't know how they died. The first time there was evidence of some unknown intruder, or else a really big altercation of some sort with the waterer knocked over. The second time we just found the hen dead on the floor with no obvious injury or disturbance.

Several months have passed, all of them ridiculously cold. The outcast rooster now has his own little bevy of girls. He's got 4, the 2 nasties have 7. Outcast and his girls spent most of these last cold winter months hiding on top of the 2 stacked rabbit hutches that we use as nest boxes. We've been giving them food and water up there.

Now that spring is finally coming our way, they have all been out free-ranging, and things have settled down a bit. Just a bit.

I just now closed them up for the night, and when one of the favored hens jumped down from the roost to eat, the 2 nasties came down and looked like they were trying to kill her! I guess it was just their usual rough dealings, but I intervened and separated them so she could get back to safety.

So I have several questions for you all!

Should I continue to let them work out their differences? The roosters have been in there, most of the time closed up in the coop with the girls, since November. It's a big enough coop for all, and I am hoping that now that things are thawing out and they can roam, that they will settle down. I have read these forums enough to know that most people cull any "bad" chickens, but I need the boys to protect the girls from the eagles who nest across the street, and the hawks and coyotes and all the other critters that live up here. All 3 of boys do a pretty good job of sounding the alert when something dangerous approaches.

Should I do what I read somewhere and separate the 2 nasties from the girls for a few days to knock them down a notch? The outcast actually gets kicked out of the coop at night and tries to roost in one of the trees outside. One of us has to escort him back in after dark, not every night, but fairly often. Should I keep him and cull the other 2?

My husband's idea of solving the problem was to get more hens. He wanted grown hens or pullets, but this nasty winter means none have been available. That, and the last time we got burned, thinking we were getting 4 pullets and 1 roo. SOOOO, I went out and got 10 baby chicks, all hens or I can bring them back. If they all survive, I might sell a few, or maybe keep them all.

Do you think adding more hens will even things out and settle down the wild boys?

And how long before I add the youngsters to the flock? They are only 1 week old at this point, and being raised in my bathtub
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. When they get their big girl feathers I will start to let them outside in a protected area and bring them into the garage at night with a heat lamp. The free-ranging adults will definitely find their way back here and meet the babies, but when do you think is a good time to start putting them in the coop with the adults?

Again, apologies for the long post, but I have been building up to this for awhile.
 
about 10 hens to one rooster is a fair # the babies will be a long time coming for those roosters. one or three sounding the alarm, it realy dont matter. none of them can stop an attack.
 
If it were me, I would get rid of one or both of the aggressive roosters. They may very well have been responsible for the deaths of your hens. Their gang breeding of the hens may result in injuries to the sides and backs of the hens, and the resultant stress can impact on egg production.
 
I would keep the outcast and get rid of the other 2. Sourland is right, they may have caused the deaths of some of your hens already.
 
I"m not seeing why you have these particular roosters? All they're doing is causing problems. Get rid of all of them. You didn't want 3 roosters to start with, no reason to keep them and have a miserable flock just cause you were mis-informed about their genders. You may feel you need a rooster in general to help protect your girls, but it doesn't need to be one of these roosters. Roosters are a dime a dozen, and there are tons of perfectly good roosters that would be much better for you. And honestly, if there isn't a rooster, one of the hens steps up and keeps watch.

At minimum I'd get rid of the two problem roosters and then see how things go.
 
Why I have the roosters at all: because I like having one rooster. We were getting a second one because we were increasing the size of our flock, and because the one rooster we had was injured. I never intended to have 3, but since they got along with each other so well (in the beginning) I thought it could work. I was wrong.

Now that we have the 3, that we raised from youngsters, I am reluctant to kill 2 or all 3, because killing an animal of any sort is not something I can do. I don't think of chickens as expendable: if they don't "work out" you eat them. I could not kill a dog or a cat that was misbehaving, even if it put another dog or cat in danger. I would not take that dog or cat to the pound, I would work on retraining it. Problem is, I don't know that chickens can be retrained.

After seeing all these responses, I might find the strength to give the 2 nasties to a neighbor who will kill them and eat them. The outcast is not a problem, so why would I get rid of him?

I will discuss this with my husband. Mostly I think we will simply wait and see how things go.

I will keep you posted.
 
You could build a bachelor pad for your roosters. That would lessen the stress on your hens. Or at least separate the two nasty ones from your hens to prevent the gang-breeding you saw going on. If you get rid of the two rough ones, you will still have the other to alert the hens to predators. Frankly, I don't think you'll be doing your hens any favors by just simply waiting to see how things go. As far as integrating your new babies into the main flock, I would wait until they are close to the same size. I don't know where you're going to keep them until then, but if you put them in when they're too small, the older ones tend to go after the smaller ones. No matter what size they are, there will be kerfluffles while they work out pecking order and all that.
 
I realize that you were all giving the same good advice, but I had a hard time convincing The Husband and myself to "get rid of" my 3 problem roosters. And I have no room for a bachelor pad...the only available space is what I use for a chicken hospital and safe place for the youngsters until they're ready to join the big kids.

Things were going OK, with no more obvious hen injuries, until last night when I went out to close up the coop. The 2 nastier roosters were battling it out in full force. Feathers flared out, kicking, pecking...ugly nasty fight. That was enough for me, and The Husband wasn't home, so I called the neighbor who wanted any or all of my roosters for dinner and told him to come and get these 2. By the time he got here, the winner was back inside, and I couldn't tell which was him, and which was the original outcast that I still want to keep. It was dark in there. So the neighbor took only one, and unfortunately that one was the loser of the fight, not the most aggressive.

I now have the courage to give all 3 away, and if things are not much improved by next weekend, the neighbor can take both of the remaining roosters. That will make it much easier to introduce my growing chicks to the flock, and one of THEM is starting to look like it might be a rooster!
 
LOL! I hatch about 100 chicks per year for my own personal use and after I endure 50 hungry noisy marauding roosters all summer & fall I can't wait to swing the hatchet.
 

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