Phallus Prostration (male prolapse) - HELP!

[Miss Lydia]

I haven't ever had to deal with this so not sure if at home treatments work so looked up on line and came to Majestic Waterfowl and found this
http://www.majesticwaterfowl.org/mmissue98.htm I hope you can glean some good info to help lil Dicky the Duck. Let me know please.

 

[chickens really]

Hello..I have an older Drake with a prolapsed penis too. I tried many things and nothing worked..Vet told me the end will sluff off. Hasn't yet and it's been a couple of months. Only the tip is sticking out and he can still breed..A Friend of mine at Duckopolis recommended I don't House my Drakes with my Hens during winter and provide water for breeding so the penis goes back in. I'll only be using this Drake till fall..

 

[casportpony]

I am an avian specialist and I see these ocassionally. Sorry I missed this post until 18 months later, but in case someone else comes across this in the future, I recommend the following:

1. Separate the drake from females. Typically this is a problem affecting young, exuberant drakes. If you take away the temptation then their phallus will stay put and get the rest it sorely needs.
2. If the tissue is too swollen to replace or is black, green, dead then see an avian vet first.
3. If not, gently cleanse the phallus and, if possible without too much misery, lube it up with KY or similar water-soluble jelly and tuck it back inside the cloaca. Sometimes, if the duck is cooperative, you can try applying a hypertonic sugar solution to help shrink the swollen tissue. Most ducks are not this patient.
4. If it pops right back out and there is danger of it getting stepped on or beat up, go see an avian vet.

The most important steps the vet can provide that you can't are pain relief, anti-inflammatory drugs, and, in the case of a phallus that keeps popping back out, they can apply a couple of temporary sutures across the vent to hold the phallus in place while it heals. The procedure can be performed in most ducks while awake and using just a local anesthetic-- so not too expensive. Usually this is all that's needed and the sutures can come out in 10-14 days (often they pop out on their own). In very few cases, where the phallus has devitalized or become injured, or fails to heal after the initial vent sutures, then amputation is necessary. Some birds will have long-term complications from this, depending upon how the amputation is performed.

Excellent post!

 

[casportpony]

this is before the surgery

and after

Great pictures!

 

[Miss Lydia]

Not sure if this gives any info that might be of use @casportpony Just now reading.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/my-duck-has-prolapsed-his-penis.742356/

 

[casportpony]

Not sure if this gives any info that might be of use @casportpony Just now reading.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/my-duck-has-prolapsed-his-penis.742356/

That does have good info!

 

[casportpony]

I am an avian specialist and I see these ocassionally. Sorry I missed this post until 18 months later, but in case someone else comes across this in the future, I recommend the following:

1. Separate the drake from females. Typically this is a problem affecting young, exuberant drakes. If you take away the temptation then their phallus will stay put and get the rest it sorely needs.
2. If the tissue is too swollen to replace or is black, green, dead then see an avian vet first.
3. If not, gently cleanse the phallus and, if possible without too much misery, lube it up with KY or similar water-soluble jelly and tuck it back inside the cloaca. Sometimes, if the duck is cooperative, you can try applying a hypertonic sugar solution to help shrink the swollen tissue. Most ducks are not this patient.
4. If it pops right back out and there is danger of it getting stepped on or beat up, go see an avian vet.

The most important steps the vet can provide that you can't are pain relief, anti-inflammatory drugs, and, in the case of a phallus that keeps popping back out, they can apply a couple of temporary sutures across the vent to hold the phallus in place while it heals. The procedure can be performed in most ducks while awake and using just a local anesthetic-- so not too expensive. Usually this is all that's needed and the sutures can come out in 10-14 days (often they pop out on their own). In very few cases, where the phallus has devitalized or become injured, or fails to heal after the initial vent sutures, then amputation is necessary. Some birds will have long-term complications from this, depending upon how the amputation is performed.

 

[casportpony]

I just re-read this thread again and will be updating my thread with some posts from here!

 

[Kimmyh51]

I am an avian specialist and I see these ocassionally. Sorry I missed this post until 18 months later, but in case someone else comes across this in the future, I recommend the following:

1. Separate the drake from females. Typically this is a problem affecting young, exuberant drakes. If you take away the temptation then their phallus will stay put and get the rest it sorely needs.
2. If the tissue is too swollen to replace or is black, green, dead then see an avian vet first.
3. If not, gently cleanse the phallus and, if possible without too much misery, lube it up with KY or similar water-soluble jelly and tuck it back inside the cloaca. Sometimes, if the duck is cooperative, you can try applying a hypertonic sugar solution to help shrink the swollen tissue. Most ducks are not this patient.
4. If it pops right back out and there is danger of it getting stepped on or beat up, go see an avian vet.

The most important steps the vet can provide that you can't are pain relief, anti-inflammatory drugs, and, in the case of a phallus that keeps popping back out, they can apply a couple of temporary sutures across the vent to hold the phallus in place while it heals. The procedure can be performed in most ducks while awake and using just a local anesthetic-- so not too expensive. Usually this is all that's needed and the sutures can come out in 10-14 days (often they pop out on their own). In very few cases, where the phallus has devitalized or become injured, or fails to heal after the initial vent sutures, then amputation is necessary. Some birds will have long-term complications from this, depending upon how the amputation is performed.

Hi I am hoping you might see this and can advise on my drake?
I had just come home earlier to find a Drake with a swollen prolapsed penis. I immediately separated him, and applied lube and the only antiseptic ointment I had on hand (iodine wound ointment) to the area. I also tried what I have (successfully) done with the occasional mildly prolapsed vent in the past which is to pop a baby wipe in a plastic air tight bag in the freezer for a few minutes till it’s cold but not frozen, then gently apply that to the tissue to reduce swelling and help get it back inside.
Anyway the tissue was quite swollen, particularly around the base, and it was obvious that it simply was not going to go back in, at the size it currently is. The tissue is definitely inflamed, and possibly infected it was kind of swollen and yellowish around the base. No discharge or smell

I gave the poor wee lad some meloxicam, and also put tylosin in the small ‘bath’ of water in the cage he is in (I had googled and read that he should be given ready access to swimming water). However due to a suspected myscoplasma outbreak in some of the ducklings, all of the flock have been on prophylactic tylosin for the last couple of days, so either it is not infected, or the tylosin hasn’t had time to work or it needs a different AB?
The other antibiotic I have on hand in enough quantity to give a full course is oxytetracycline. I also have maybe a days worth of augmenton (amoxicillin/clavulanic acid) but would have to see my vet to get any other antibiotics or more of the augmentin to provide a full course. Antibiotics here where I live can only be purchased with a veterinary prescription. I have a large flock and rescued ducks so my vet prescribed me oxytetracycline to have on hand, and meloxicam, so I have plenty of tylosin and meloxicam, and enough oxytetracycline if that is a better antibiotic for this sort of infection. But for other antibiotics I have to take a bird to my vet to be examined and get a prescription.

Most of my ducks are due to be picked up and rehomed several hundred km away in the next few days, money is tight at the moment and my vet is not close to where I live, so the questions I have include:

Is there anything my vet can do for this lad aside from the pain relief and antibiotics? (Is there a better antibiotic for this ie more augmentin?). So far my googling ranges from saying that it’s just a case of giving pain relief and antibiotics and waiting to see if it goes back in or falls off, thru to it being an absolute time-critical emergency. Most of the advice I am reading seems to assume that the penis can be pushed back in, and if that doesn’t work it’s because it is popping back out.
But trust me, this guys little corkscrew is NOT going to fit back in, it’s too swollen.

He seems reasonably ok in himself (far as you can tell with birds), he’s eating, drinking etc and I had to chase him a bit before I could catch him...ie he, didn’t give up after a shorter than normal chase like a duck that’s feeling a bit off color does, or give up pretty quickly like a duck that’s feeling decidedly unwell or sore will.

So should I give it a few days on the meloxicam to see how he goes? Should I switch to oxytetracycline rather than tylosin? How long would you wait before going to the vet and what can the vet do for him? Unfortunately the cost of full on surgery, which will be in the hundreds, is not something I can manage right now as I am out of work for almost a year thanks to covid 19, so affordability wise I can only afford a vet consult and different antibiotics, or something really quick and cheap, procedure wise. If he needs anything more significant than that I will have to either wait and we if it resolves, if that is an option, or have him euthanised.

And if this is resolved, would it be best to tag him to be rehomed only with other drakes ? Though of course in my experience that does not mean he won’t have sex in future! How likely is this to recur? And what can be done to prevent it? He is only just over a year old. And not as far as I have observed, at all one of the drakes who is always mating or aggressively chasing the girls. He’s a smaller pure white Pekin/white runner x, quite docile and more submissive than dominant....and I’m around my ducks for a good part of most days and have not seen him getting any ‘action’ at all!

Could this sort of thing happen at all if there has been another Drake forcibly mating him? (Not seen that happening either but almost seems more likely than this particular little guy becoming an aggressive over mating type of drake)

 

[Kimmyh51]

Thank you so much for expert advise. It is greatly appreciated.

I am an avian specialist and I see these ocassionally. Sorry I missed this post until 18 months later, but in case someone else comes across this in the future, I recommend the following:

1. Separate the drake from females. Typically this is a problem affecting young, exuberant drakes. If you take away the temptation then their phallus will stay put and get the rest it sorely needs.
2. If the tissue is too swollen to replace or is black, green, dead then see an avian vet first.
3. If not, gently cleanse the phallus and, if possible without too much misery, lube it up with KY or similar water-soluble jelly and tuck it back inside the cloaca. Sometimes, if the duck is cooperative, you can try applying a hypertonic sugar solution to help shrink the swollen tissue. Most ducks are not this patient.
4. If it pops right back out and there is danger of it getting stepped on or beat up, go see an avian vet.

The most important steps the vet can provide that you can't are pain relief, anti-inflammatory drugs, and, in the case of a phallus that keeps popping back out, they can apply a couple of temporary sutures across the vent to hold the phallus in place while it heals. The procedure can be performed in most ducks while awake and using just a local anesthetic-- so not too expensive. Usually this is all that's needed and the sutures can come out in 10-14 days (often they pop out on their own). In very few cases, where the phallus has devitalized or become injured, or fails to heal after the initial vent sutures, then amputation is necessary. Some birds will have long-term complications from this, depending upon how the amputation is performed.

Argh the 3rd attempt at posting this as my stupid safari browser keeps crapping out and refreshing mid way thru, so here is the brief version for the avian specialist

I have a Drake who I just discovered with a prolapsed penis
Too swollen to put back in.
I have meloxicam on hand so have given, separated him from rest of flock.
Flock was already on prophalactic tylosin last 2 days for suspected mycoplasma outbreak in ducklings, is tylosin likely to be effective against any bacteria in the poor wee chaps penis.

Given I can’t get it back in, it’s just too swollen it simply won’t fit, (and I can’t imagine how the vet would get it to go back in either without causing him significant pain or ripping something! ) what is the likely prognosis? Is it likely to reduce in size with regular meloxicam and antibiotics over the next few days.
I also have oxytetracycline on hand is this any better for this? Any other AB I’d need to take him to the vet for as they are only available on prescription here.

Drake is just over a year old, smaller Pekin/white runner x, not one who has been particularly sexually active, certainly not one of the more aggressive lads.

My vet isn’t that close and I am ready short on funds as I am a contractor in a market where there have been no contracts since covid lockdown in March last year, and I am flat out organising a mass relocation of most of my birds to a sanctuary a few hundred km away where there are more rehoming options for them, so am also wondering what this will mean for him both in the next few weeks and in a future adoptive home?