O.K everyone, it's nice having a good discussion, but maybe it needs to stop, it is really not going anywhere ( admittedly I haven't read it all ). You all seem to be putting a lot of time and effort into trying to crush the "opposition", how many people do you reckon are actually reading all the long spiels? These long post are all just eventually going to get lost, never to be remember again and it only seems to be between 3 or 4 people. I am sure there are many people not joining in with this thread just because of the fact they are over the debating and all that is going on. Maybe you could move it to PM's, I know there you won't get the support of peers but at least this thread can continue on....after all it really is going to continue on, unless it's shut down for going over the top. Sorry if anyone has a problem with what I have said, I will not be replying to anyone who replies to this post....unless it is positive! CluckCluckLuke.