Pics (heavy) of pea parents

[zazouse]

Some of my pieds came from parents out of normal looking IB

 

[Wisher1000]

Why aren't you going to keep it? If it is a male it would be okay to breed to her, but you have two years for that anyhow, plenty of time to get more peas.

I'm really torn about keeping the white. First, yes, I get more attached everyday, and I think that I will worry about this pea when she/he is not here for me to watch everyday. Secondly, the owner of the parents is supposed to get the chick if it is a hen (that was our deal because she already had a male, well, now she doesn't) and I would get more eggs next breeding season (which can't happen without a male.) Thirdly, I didn't ever plan to have peas. I love to hatch and only took the eggs to see if I could because she had no way to incubate and was going to eat or toss them! If I am going to get into peas, I will have to build a suitable enclosure which would be way down on the list of projects that need to be built around here. If it is a male, it could be bred back to her hen and I could get more eggs. If it is a female, there will have to be a male added to get eggs and the only male I would really want is a pied, which are not very common around here. See why I am so conflicted?

 

[Arbor]

Arbor,,I've been told by several breeders that a bird can be pied and not show visual signs of it including a throat patch or white flights.Matter of fact one breeder told me to keep accurate records of all hatched birds from my pied pen just for this reason.She was from western Iowa if I remember,,have to check thru e-mails to be sure of her location. The hen in the pictures does not have a throat patch in my opinion,,she looks like all IB hens in the neck coloring. A throat patch indicating pied would be noticably longer extending down the throat maybe another 1" or so.If you have a known pied hen standing next to a non pied hen you can tell the diffrence easily

from the breeding I've done, a bird that carries pied (does not visually look pied, and carries one copy of the pied gene and no copies of the white gene) will look like an IB (or whatever colour they are). Double copied pied gene may look like a split to white bird (just white flights or white flights and throat patch). Visually pied birds (if they carry both one copy pied and one copy white) will show visually pied, and will have some white patches throughout the body other than the flights and throat patch. I do agree that with you that the hen in the pic is IB split to white, and not pied. I have no trouble distinguishing the two, side by side or not, as I do keep both, . THis is another good reason to begin our photo id database, so those learning about them, will have a good visual reference to compare to.

 

[Mmmatt13]

Very conflicting, maybe just talk with her?

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Arbor,,the picture database comes up again and again.It is something that is badly needed and everyone could use it.It's such a pity in my opinion that the UPA cannot do this,yet a small group here on a public forum website seems to have more ambition than a national organization.I could probably supply pictures of 25 adult birds.I don't know if we started with 1 selected color of bird,say Opal for instance,that it would be possible to keep all Opal birds in one collective group or sequence of pictures? It would be much easier to locate birds according to color,without looking thru Opals and then see an IB male in the middle of the Opal pics.I think all adult males pics should be of at least 3 years old to show what their trains looks like fully opened up.If this id database was made on a public forum like this,it needs to be comment enabled,,just a pic with the bird color and pattern,,nothing more.We could take peachick pics this spring from our own hatchings if we are 100%sure of the breeding,and since most of my pens are bred color to color,my 8 diffrent pens would be easy to get pics of peachicks.But getting pics of the males with full trains fanning would not be able to be added until maybe May.Thoughts?

 

[new 2 pfowl]

FBC, I messaged the admin back in July to ask about adding threads to the stickies, separate threads for each color/pattern, so we'd have an easy-to-locate image database for chick and adult identification. I never received any response, maybe you want to try? These ID questions come up so often that this kind of database would be invaluable.

 

[Arbor]

new 2 peafowl - the lack of response it probably understandable. knowing there are over 225 varieties, a database that large would very difficult for them to keep any control over. I imagine the chickens alone is difficult enough.

Arbor,,the picture database comes up again and again.It is something that is badly needed and everyone could use it.It's such a pity in my opinion that the UPA cannot do this,yet a small group here on a public forum website seems to have more ambition than a national organization.I could probably supply pictures of 25 adult birds.I don't know if we started with 1 selected color of bird,say Opal for instance,that it would be possible to keep all Opal birds in one collective group or sequence of pictures? It would be much easier to locate birds according to color,without looking thru Opals and then see an IB male in the middle of the Opal pics.I think all adult males pics should be of at least 3 years old to show what their trains looks like fully opened up.If this id database was made on a public forum like this,it needs to be comment enabled,,just a pic with the bird color and pattern,,nothing more.We could take peachick pics this spring from our own hatchings if we are 100%sure of the breeding,and since most of my pens are bred color to color,my 8 diffrent pens would be easy to get pics of peachicks.But getting pics of the males with full trains fanning would not be able to be added until maybe May.Thoughts?

I think this is a spectacular idea, however, I think it would be best as a link/sticky to a separate site. I agree also with the separate colours, with photos of adult male fanning and not, adult hen, newly hatched chick, and 5+ month old chicks (possibly male and female). We do get a lot of older chicks to id here as well. I will put some more thought into how this might work. It will have to be a joint effort for sure. I have males in the 8 colours (and a couple in other patterns) I have, but at least half of them are the blackshoulder variety. I also know some others with some of the other patterns as well. It may take me some time to wrap my head around doing this. any input from others about how to go about using a public forum for such purposes would be greatly appreciated. I am not yet too familiar with the hosting issues surrounding public forums, but I'll try and look into it. Just a side note, I still would like everyone who is interested to try out the trial genetics search database, I need some feedback.

 

[connerhills]

I would agree with most of the suggestions made here. My random thought would be .. that it needs a organization set up to own the photos.. if you use a photo and dont have the approval of the owner your more that likely to get sued .
That is why the name of the owner is on some photos you see on ther internet now but I am sure most people are aware of that.. the UPA had been through this before. I have tried before to get something like this done in the UPA but getting photos is not that easy. To do justice to the birds the photos should be large or close up of the birds ,,not one out in the field some place. Post as many of the subject bird as you can get for diversity. FBC ... It was not the lack of abmition in the UPA as I and others have put a lot of work and thought and planning in the UPA to even get as far as it is,, making it from a good old boys club to a member driven club ... ( I am not sure that was a good idea now ) As far as I know you will be welcome to run for office in the UPA and help get this done ..
The UPA now needs 4 officers and 3 alternates just to get it to being able to operate . I will nominate people if they would like to try to do better,, let me know .
The UPA needs people to work for nothing and do a good job and help get the UPA back going again. A person need to have been a member for at least 1 yr. Shall attend the convention each year, write 2-3 acticals for the P T publication each year, then if you want I can nominate you and the BOD can appoint you for a position on the UPA BOD.. The Idea of the photos is great .. What do they say ??? A picture is as good as 1000 words.. ... connerhills

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Connerhills, I was approached this past spring about being on the BOD by Jeanna Motz of Bigcreekpoultry but was then told you had to be a member in good standing for at least a year before you could hold any office,so becoming an officer or being on the BOD is out.I also do not see any reason to belong to the UPA,,the problems addressed and now trying to be accomplished on this forum,seems to have eluded UPA members in starting or completing for many years already as witnessed by yourself. I've been a active member over the years in many organizations that I felt was much more rewarding than the sweat or time it caused me.FFA,Jaycees,Red Angus Association,German SV German Shepherd club,plus a few others.I can easily meet all the requirments to becoming an officer or being on a BOD of the UPA,,,but that would be after I was a member for a year plus then getting nominated and voted in by people who don't know me. Being here on BYC I can do all this along with other like minded peafowl fanciers,and not "belong" to anything,answer to anyone,or need to wait a year to start or pursue such a task,,and not pay any dues.Not to be smug,but the only thing I ever hear from others about UPA is that every 2 months they send out a magazine with nice pictures in it,,,here we see new pics almost weekly or daily in the summertime.
I'm in no way an "expert" on peafowl or anything about them.I'm in no way qualified to write an article for a National Organization.I try to apply what I've learned to help others so they might save themselves a big unecessary expense or incur a loss.90% of what I've learned about raising Peafowl has came from this forum,starting 4 years ago by reading threads,making notes then deciding on my own course.I had noone to answer to except myself and I think now some of my methods used with my birds and breeding will rival the so called "top breeders" of Peafowl. It is unfair to judge or dismiss something that I'm not a member of (UPA)But to move forward with a picture database that's badly needed and wanted now,it's not worth waiting a year after I become a UPA member to then begin doing this.Jumping thru hoops is not necessary to accomplish goals,as per the route of first joining UPA.

 

[connerhills]

I understand your feelings about the UPA . I hope this project works well and the photos are some of the most requested things on this forum. I did not intend to sound criticial to anyone here. As it goes,, when things need to be done the person that is not doing anything should not be the first person ask.., you ask someone that is busy and is doing things... connerhhills